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    <title>Poetry For All - Episodes Tagged with “Aging”</title>
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    <description>This podcast is for those who already love poetry and for those who know very little about it. In this podcast, we read a poem, discuss it, see what makes it tick, learn how it works, grow from it, and then read it one more time.
Introducing our brand new Poetry For All website: https://poetryforallpod.com! Please visit the new website to learn more about our guests, search for thematic episodes (ranging from Black History Month to the season of autumn), and subscribe to our newsletter. 
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    <itunes:subtitle>Finding Our Way Into Great Poems</itunes:subtitle>
    <itunes:author>Joanne Diaz and Abram Van Engen</itunes:author>
    <itunes:summary>This podcast is for those who already love poetry and for those who know very little about it. In this podcast, we read a poem, discuss it, see what makes it tick, learn how it works, grow from it, and then read it one more time.
Introducing our brand new Poetry For All website: https://poetryforallpod.com! Please visit the new website to learn more about our guests, search for thematic episodes (ranging from Black History Month to the season of autumn), and subscribe to our newsletter. 
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  <title>Episode 101: Emerald GoingSnake, Someday I'll Love--</title>
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  <pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2025 08:00:00 -0500</pubDate>
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  <itunes:subtitle>This episode opens "Someday I'll Love" poems through the vivid imagery of a young poet's connection with their grandmother, remembering in love as memory begins to slip.</itunes:subtitle>
  <itunes:duration>23:53</itunes:duration>
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  <description>This episode opens "Someday I'll Love" poems through the vivid imagery of a young poet's connection with their grandmother, remembering in love as memory begins to slip.
Emerald ᏃᏈᏏ GoingSnake is an Indigenous poet from the United Keetoowah Band of Cherokee Indians and the Muscogee (Creek) Nation in Oklahoma. Winner of the 2024 Maureen Egen Writers Exchange Award for poetry and the recipient of the 2023 Indigenous Nations Poets fellowship, they live in St. Louis.
Portrait by Erin Lewis Photography
The poem was featured on Poem-a-Day and can be found at the Academy of American Poets.
See here for the poem online. (https://poets.org/poem/someday-ill-love)
Someday I’ll Love—
Emerald ᏃᏈᏏ GoingSnake
—after Frank O’Hara
like I dreamt of the lamb—slaughtered,
            forgotten,
lying on porcelain tile, on crimson-filled grout—
            and woke up thinking of my grandmother,
of her Betty Boop hands that held 
marbled stone, held dough-balled flour, 
held the first strands of my hair floating atop the river—
like winter apples, the ones that hang outside
my living room window and survive first snowfall 
to feed the neighborhood crows,
            how they fall
beneath my boots, staining my rubber 
soles with epigraphs of rot, epigraphs 
            of fors, of dears, of holding on till frost’s end.
Someday I will see long-forgotten fingerprints 
on the inside of my eyelids as I go to sleep,
as I close my eyes for silence on a Wednesday,
mourning—seeking—creases and smile lines, 
                porch lights and swing sets, 
summer nights of lightning bugs and Johnny Cash.
I think it will be a Tuesday, or maybe someday 
is yesterday, is two months from now, is going 
to be a day when I forget what I’m supposed 
            to be remembering.
For now, I will paint my nails cradle, adorn 
my skin in cloth that doesn’t choke,
tell my bones that they are each 
            a lamb
                        remembered.
Copyright © 2024 by Emerald ᏃᏈᏏ GoingSnake. Originally published in Poem-a-Day on November 7, 2024, by the Academy of American Poets. Used by permission.
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    <![CDATA[<p>This episode opens &quot;Someday I&#39;ll Love&quot; poems through the vivid imagery of a young poet&#39;s connection with their grandmother, remembering in love as memory begins to slip.</p>

<p>Emerald ᏃᏈᏏ GoingSnake is an Indigenous poet from the United Keetoowah Band of Cherokee Indians and the Muscogee (Creek) Nation in Oklahoma. Winner of the 2024 Maureen Egen Writers Exchange Award for poetry and the recipient of the 2023 Indigenous Nations Poets fellowship, they live in St. Louis.</p>

<p>Portrait by Erin Lewis Photography</p>

<p>The poem was featured on Poem-a-Day and can be found at the Academy of American Poets.</p>

<p><a href="https://poets.org/poem/someday-ill-love" rel="nofollow">See here for the poem online.</a></p>

<p><strong>Someday I’ll Love—</strong></p>

<p>Emerald ᏃᏈᏏ GoingSnake<br>
<em>—after Frank O’Hara</em></p>

<p>like I dreamt of the lamb—slaughtered,<br>
            forgotten,<br>
lying on porcelain tile, on crimson-filled grout—<br>
            and woke up thinking of my grandmother,<br>
of her Betty Boop hands that held <br>
marbled stone, held dough-balled flour, <br>
held the first strands of my hair floating atop the river—</p>

<p>like winter apples, the ones that hang outside<br>
my living room window and survive first snowfall <br>
to feed the neighborhood crows,<br>
            how they fall<br>
beneath my boots, staining my rubber <br>
soles with epigraphs of rot, epigraphs <br>
            of fors, of dears, of holding on till frost’s end.</p>

<p>Someday I will see long-forgotten fingerprints <br>
on the inside of my eyelids as I go to sleep,<br>
as I close my eyes for silence on a Wednesday,<br>
mourning—seeking—creases and smile lines, <br>
                porch lights and swing sets, <br>
summer nights of lightning bugs and Johnny Cash.</p>

<p>I think it will be a Tuesday, or maybe someday <br>
is yesterday, is two months from now, is going <br>
to be a day when I forget what I’m supposed <br>
            to be remembering.</p>

<p>For now, I will paint my nails cradle, adorn <br>
my skin in cloth that doesn’t choke,<br>
tell my bones that they are each <br>
            a lamb<br>
                        remembered.</p>

<p>Copyright © 2024 by Emerald ᏃᏈᏏ GoingSnake. Originally published in Poem-a-Day on November 7, 2024, by the Academy of American Poets. Used by permission.</p>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<p>This episode opens &quot;Someday I&#39;ll Love&quot; poems through the vivid imagery of a young poet&#39;s connection with their grandmother, remembering in love as memory begins to slip.</p>

<p>Emerald ᏃᏈᏏ GoingSnake is an Indigenous poet from the United Keetoowah Band of Cherokee Indians and the Muscogee (Creek) Nation in Oklahoma. Winner of the 2024 Maureen Egen Writers Exchange Award for poetry and the recipient of the 2023 Indigenous Nations Poets fellowship, they live in St. Louis.</p>

<p>Portrait by Erin Lewis Photography</p>

<p>The poem was featured on Poem-a-Day and can be found at the Academy of American Poets.</p>

<p><a href="https://poets.org/poem/someday-ill-love" rel="nofollow">See here for the poem online.</a></p>

<p><strong>Someday I’ll Love—</strong></p>

<p>Emerald ᏃᏈᏏ GoingSnake<br>
<em>—after Frank O’Hara</em></p>

<p>like I dreamt of the lamb—slaughtered,<br>
            forgotten,<br>
lying on porcelain tile, on crimson-filled grout—<br>
            and woke up thinking of my grandmother,<br>
of her Betty Boop hands that held <br>
marbled stone, held dough-balled flour, <br>
held the first strands of my hair floating atop the river—</p>

<p>like winter apples, the ones that hang outside<br>
my living room window and survive first snowfall <br>
to feed the neighborhood crows,<br>
            how they fall<br>
beneath my boots, staining my rubber <br>
soles with epigraphs of rot, epigraphs <br>
            of fors, of dears, of holding on till frost’s end.</p>

<p>Someday I will see long-forgotten fingerprints <br>
on the inside of my eyelids as I go to sleep,<br>
as I close my eyes for silence on a Wednesday,<br>
mourning—seeking—creases and smile lines, <br>
                porch lights and swing sets, <br>
summer nights of lightning bugs and Johnny Cash.</p>

<p>I think it will be a Tuesday, or maybe someday <br>
is yesterday, is two months from now, is going <br>
to be a day when I forget what I’m supposed <br>
            to be remembering.</p>

<p>For now, I will paint my nails cradle, adorn <br>
my skin in cloth that doesn’t choke,<br>
tell my bones that they are each <br>
            a lamb<br>
                        remembered.</p>

<p>Copyright © 2024 by Emerald ᏃᏈᏏ GoingSnake. Originally published in Poem-a-Day on November 7, 2024, by the Academy of American Poets. Used by permission.</p>]]>
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  <title>Episode 75: Du Fu, Passing the Night by White Sands Post Station</title>
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  <pubDate>Wed, 07 Aug 2024 08:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
  <author>Joanne Diaz and Abram Van Engen</author>
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  <itunes:subtitle>What is a good life, and how do we make sense of the world when it seems like society is collapsing? In this episode, Lucas Bender joins us once again to discuss the work of Du Fu, the great Chinese poet of the Tang Dynasty. Luke helps us to see how Du Fu’s “Passing the Night by White Sands Post Station” can be read in multiple ways depending on how one translates each word of the poem. In doing so, he reveals the poem’s concerns with aging, disappointment, and the possibility of hope in difficult times.</itunes:subtitle>
  <itunes:duration>18:16</itunes:duration>
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  <description>What is a good life, and how do we make sense of the world when it seems like society is collapsing? In this episode, Lucas Bender joins us once again to discuss the work of Du Fu (712-770 C.E.), the great Chinese poet of the Tang Dynasty. Luke helps us to see how Du Fu’s “Passing the Night by White Sands Post Station” can be read in multiple ways depending on how one translates each word of the poem. In doing so, he reveals the poem’s concerns with aging, disappointment, and the possibility of hope in difficult times.
Click here (https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/tu-fu) to learn more about Du Fu.
Lucas Bender is the author of Du Fu Transforms: Tradition and Ethics amid Societal Collapse (https://www.hup.harvard.edu/books/9780674260177) (Harvard University Press, 2021).
To learn more about Luke Bender, visit his website (https://campuspress.yale.edu/lucasrambobender/).
Cover art: Wang Hui, Ten Thousand Li up the Yangtze River, Qing Dynasty. Museum of Fine Arts, Boston. 
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  <itunes:keywords>poetry in translation, world poetry, chinese poetry, nature poetry, night, aging, loneliness, restlessness</itunes:keywords>
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    <![CDATA[<p>What is a good life, and how do we make sense of the world when it seems like society is collapsing? In this episode, Lucas Bender joins us once again to discuss the work of Du Fu (712-770 C.E.), the great Chinese poet of the Tang Dynasty. Luke helps us to see how Du Fu’s “Passing the Night by White Sands Post Station” can be read in multiple ways depending on how one translates each word of the poem. In doing so, he reveals the poem’s concerns with aging, disappointment, and the possibility of hope in difficult times.</p>

<p>Click <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/tu-fu" rel="nofollow">here</a> to learn more about Du Fu.</p>

<p>Lucas Bender is the author of <a href="https://www.hup.harvard.edu/books/9780674260177" rel="nofollow"><em>Du Fu Transforms: Tradition and Ethics amid Societal Collapse</em></a> (Harvard University Press, 2021).</p>

<p>To learn more about Luke Bender, visit his <a href="https://campuspress.yale.edu/lucasrambobender/" rel="nofollow">website</a>.</p>

<p>Cover art: Wang Hui, Ten Thousand Li up the Yangtze River, Qing Dynasty. Museum of Fine Arts, Boston.</p>]]>
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  <itunes:summary>
    <![CDATA[<p>What is a good life, and how do we make sense of the world when it seems like society is collapsing? In this episode, Lucas Bender joins us once again to discuss the work of Du Fu (712-770 C.E.), the great Chinese poet of the Tang Dynasty. Luke helps us to see how Du Fu’s “Passing the Night by White Sands Post Station” can be read in multiple ways depending on how one translates each word of the poem. In doing so, he reveals the poem’s concerns with aging, disappointment, and the possibility of hope in difficult times.</p>

<p>Click <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/tu-fu" rel="nofollow">here</a> to learn more about Du Fu.</p>

<p>Lucas Bender is the author of <a href="https://www.hup.harvard.edu/books/9780674260177" rel="nofollow"><em>Du Fu Transforms: Tradition and Ethics amid Societal Collapse</em></a> (Harvard University Press, 2021).</p>

<p>To learn more about Luke Bender, visit his <a href="https://campuspress.yale.edu/lucasrambobender/" rel="nofollow">website</a>.</p>

<p>Cover art: Wang Hui, Ten Thousand Li up the Yangtze River, Qing Dynasty. Museum of Fine Arts, Boston.</p>]]>
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  <title>Episode 72: Victoria Chang, My Mother--died unpeacefully...</title>
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  <pubDate>Wed, 22 May 2024 08:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
  <author>Joanne Diaz and Abram Van Engen</author>
  <enclosure url="https://aphid.fireside.fm/d/1437767933/d55a3bfc-6538-4214-882b-a389e71b4bf6/fe94c038-1df3-40e1-8f41-ad3a9eca9db4.mp3" length="19069241" type="audio/mpeg"/>
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  <itunes:season>6</itunes:season>
  <itunes:author>Joanne Diaz and Abram Van Engen</itunes:author>
  <itunes:subtitle>In this episode, we read one of Victoria Chang’s moving poems from her collection OBIT, and discuss how the poem explores the interplay between life, death, grieving, and memory as the poet tries to process her mother’s passing.

</itunes:subtitle>
  <itunes:duration>20:01</itunes:duration>
  <itunes:explicit>no</itunes:explicit>
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  <description>In this episode, we read one of Victoria Chang’s moving poems from her collection OBIT, and discuss how the poem explores the interplay between life, death, grieving, and memory as the poet tries to process her mother’s passing.
Thanks to Copper Canyon Press (https://www.coppercanyonpress.org/) for granting us permission to read this poem, which was originally published in OBIT. 
Victoria’s newest collection of poems, With My Back to the World, (https://us.macmillan.com/books/9780374611132/withmybacktotheworld)was inspired by the work of Agnes Martin and published earlier this year.
To learn more about Victoria Chang, visit her website (https://victoriachangpoet.com/).
</description>
  <itunes:keywords>21st century, free verse, elegy, Asian American, aging, grief and loss</itunes:keywords>
  <content:encoded>
    <![CDATA[<p>In this episode, we read one of Victoria Chang’s moving poems from her collection <em>OBIT</em>, and discuss how the poem explores the interplay between life, death, grieving, and memory as the poet tries to process her mother’s passing.</p>

<p>Thanks to <a href="https://www.coppercanyonpress.org/" rel="nofollow">Copper Canyon Press</a> for granting us permission to read this poem, which was originally published in <em>OBIT</em>. </p>

<p>Victoria’s newest collection of poems, <a href="https://us.macmillan.com/books/9780374611132/withmybacktotheworld" rel="nofollow"><em>With My Back to the World,</em></a>was inspired by the work of Agnes Martin and published earlier this year.</p>

<p>To learn more about Victoria Chang, visit her <a href="https://victoriachangpoet.com/" rel="nofollow">website</a>.</p>]]>
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  <itunes:summary>
    <![CDATA[<p>In this episode, we read one of Victoria Chang’s moving poems from her collection <em>OBIT</em>, and discuss how the poem explores the interplay between life, death, grieving, and memory as the poet tries to process her mother’s passing.</p>

<p>Thanks to <a href="https://www.coppercanyonpress.org/" rel="nofollow">Copper Canyon Press</a> for granting us permission to read this poem, which was originally published in <em>OBIT</em>. </p>

<p>Victoria’s newest collection of poems, <a href="https://us.macmillan.com/books/9780374611132/withmybacktotheworld" rel="nofollow"><em>With My Back to the World,</em></a>was inspired by the work of Agnes Martin and published earlier this year.</p>

<p>To learn more about Victoria Chang, visit her <a href="https://victoriachangpoet.com/" rel="nofollow">website</a>.</p>]]>
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  <title>Episode 52: Shakespeare, Sonnet 73</title>
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  <pubDate>Mon, 24 Oct 2022 10:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
  <author>Joanne Diaz and Abram Van Engen</author>
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  <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
  <itunes:season>5</itunes:season>
  <itunes:author>Joanne Diaz and Abram Van Engen</itunes:author>
  <itunes:subtitle>This sonnet reflects on the autumn of life and an intimate love, and it turns on that love growing stronger in and through its age, even as the body decays.</itunes:subtitle>
  <itunes:duration>19:18</itunes:duration>
  <itunes:explicit>no</itunes:explicit>
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  <description>This sonnet reflects on the autumn of life and an intimate love, and it turns on that love growing stronger in and through its age, even as the body decays.
To learn more about Shakespeare's sonnets, visit Folger Shakespeare page (https://shakespeare.folger.edu/shakespeares-works/shakespeares-sonnets/).
Our favorite editions of Shakespeare's sonnets are edited by Colin Burrow (https://global.oup.com/academic/product/complete-sonnets-and-poems-9780199535798?cc=us&amp;amp;lang=en&amp;amp;) and Stephen Booth (https://yalebooks.yale.edu/book/9780300085068/shakespeares-sonnets/).
Sir Patrick Stewart's reading (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqdhZo9b7NU) of Sonnet 73 is one of our favorites. 
</description>
  <itunes:keywords>17th century, aging, autumn, intimacy, love, night, rhymed verse, sonnet</itunes:keywords>
  <content:encoded>
    <![CDATA[<p>This sonnet reflects on the autumn of life and an intimate love, and it turns on that love growing stronger in and through its age, even as the body decays.</p>

<p>To learn more about Shakespeare&#39;s sonnets, visit <a href="https://shakespeare.folger.edu/shakespeares-works/shakespeares-sonnets/" rel="nofollow">Folger Shakespeare page</a>.</p>

<p>Our favorite editions of Shakespeare&#39;s sonnets are edited by <a href="https://global.oup.com/academic/product/complete-sonnets-and-poems-9780199535798?cc=us&lang=en&" rel="nofollow">Colin Burrow</a> and <a href="https://yalebooks.yale.edu/book/9780300085068/shakespeares-sonnets/" rel="nofollow">Stephen Booth</a>.</p>

<p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqdhZo9b7NU" rel="nofollow">Sir Patrick Stewart&#39;s reading</a> of Sonnet 73 is one of our favorites. </p>]]>
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  <itunes:summary>
    <![CDATA[<p>This sonnet reflects on the autumn of life and an intimate love, and it turns on that love growing stronger in and through its age, even as the body decays.</p>

<p>To learn more about Shakespeare&#39;s sonnets, visit <a href="https://shakespeare.folger.edu/shakespeares-works/shakespeares-sonnets/" rel="nofollow">Folger Shakespeare page</a>.</p>

<p>Our favorite editions of Shakespeare&#39;s sonnets are edited by <a href="https://global.oup.com/academic/product/complete-sonnets-and-poems-9780199535798?cc=us&lang=en&" rel="nofollow">Colin Burrow</a> and <a href="https://yalebooks.yale.edu/book/9780300085068/shakespeares-sonnets/" rel="nofollow">Stephen Booth</a>.</p>

<p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqdhZo9b7NU" rel="nofollow">Sir Patrick Stewart&#39;s reading</a> of Sonnet 73 is one of our favorites. </p>]]>
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  <title>Episode 50: Rafael Campo, Primary Care</title>
  <link>https://poetryforall.fireside.fm/50</link>
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  <pubDate>Mon, 26 Sep 2022 10:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
  <author>Joanne Diaz and Abram Van Engen</author>
  <enclosure url="https://aphid.fireside.fm/d/1437767933/d55a3bfc-6538-4214-882b-a389e71b4bf6/54ff6502-605c-4e66-8030-40d7e5b6cd77.mp3" length="17486930" type="audio/mpeg"/>
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  <itunes:season>5</itunes:season>
  <itunes:author>Joanne Diaz and Abram Van Engen</itunes:author>
  <itunes:subtitle>In this episode, we discuss how Rafael Campo, a practicing physician, uses blank verse to explore the experience of illness and suffering. </itunes:subtitle>
  <itunes:duration>22:24</itunes:duration>
  <itunes:explicit>no</itunes:explicit>
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  <description>In this episode, we discuss how Rafael Campo, a practicing physician, uses blank verse to explore the experience of illness and suffering.
Thanks to the Georges Borchardt, Inc. for granting us permission to read this poem. You can find "Primary Care" in Alternative Medicine (Duke University Press, 2013).  
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    <![CDATA[<p>In this episode, we discuss how Rafael Campo, a practicing physician, uses blank verse to explore the experience of illness and suffering.</p>

<p>Thanks to the Georges Borchardt, Inc. for granting us permission to read this poem. You can find &quot;Primary Care&quot; in <em>Alternative Medicine</em> (Duke University Press, 2013). </p><p>Links:</p><ul><li><a title="Campo reads Primary Care" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hltjf8H3WJI">Campo reads Primary Care</a></li><li><a title="Campo Author Page" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.rafaelcampo.com/">Campo Author Page</a></li><li><a title="Campo at the Poetry Foundation" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/rafael-campo">Campo at the Poetry Foundation</a></li></ul>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<p>In this episode, we discuss how Rafael Campo, a practicing physician, uses blank verse to explore the experience of illness and suffering.</p>

<p>Thanks to the Georges Borchardt, Inc. for granting us permission to read this poem. You can find &quot;Primary Care&quot; in <em>Alternative Medicine</em> (Duke University Press, 2013). </p><p>Links:</p><ul><li><a title="Campo reads Primary Care" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hltjf8H3WJI">Campo reads Primary Care</a></li><li><a title="Campo Author Page" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.rafaelcampo.com/">Campo Author Page</a></li><li><a title="Campo at the Poetry Foundation" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/rafael-campo">Campo at the Poetry Foundation</a></li></ul>]]>
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  <title>Episode 38: Laura Van Prooyen, Elegy for My Mother's Mind</title>
  <link>https://poetryforall.fireside.fm/38</link>
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  <pubDate>Wed, 26 Jan 2022 16:00:00 -0500</pubDate>
  <author>Joanne Diaz and Abram Van Engen</author>
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  <itunes:subtitle>In this episode, our guest Laura Van Prooyen reads "Elegy for My Mother's Mind," a poem that navigates the complexities of memory, loss, and familial relationships. Laura's poem gives us an opportunity to think about the deep sources of poetic inspiration, the revision process, and the power of metaphor.</itunes:subtitle>
  <itunes:duration>29:16</itunes:duration>
  <itunes:explicit>no</itunes:explicit>
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  <description>In this episode, our guest Laura Van Prooyen reads "Elegy for My Mother's Mind," a poem that navigates the complexities of memory, loss, and familial relationships. Laura's poem gives us an opportunity to think about the deep sources of poetic inspiration, the revision process, and the power of metaphor.
To learn more about Laura's work, check her website (https://lauravanprooyen.com/). 
Click here to see the version of the poem that appeared in Prairie Schooner (https://prairieschooner.unl.edu/excerpt/elegy-my-mother%E2%80%99s-mind).
Our two favorite books on elegy are Jahan Ramazani's Poetry of Mourning: The Modern Elegy from Hardy to Heaney (https://press.uchicago.edu/ucp/books/book/chicago/P/bo3683910.html) and Peter Sacks's The English Elegy: Studies in the Genre from Spenser to Yeats (https://jhupbooks.press.jhu.edu/title/english-elegy).
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  <itunes:keywords>21st century, aging, children, elegy, free verse, gratitude, grief and loss, guest on the show, love, mother's day</itunes:keywords>
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    <![CDATA[<p>In this episode, our guest Laura Van Prooyen reads &quot;Elegy for My Mother&#39;s Mind,&quot; a poem that navigates the complexities of memory, loss, and familial relationships. Laura&#39;s poem gives us an opportunity to think about the deep sources of poetic inspiration, the revision process, and the power of metaphor.</p>

<p>To learn more about Laura&#39;s work, check her <a href="https://lauravanprooyen.com/" rel="nofollow">website</a>. </p>

<p>Click here to see the version of the poem that appeared in <a href="https://prairieschooner.unl.edu/excerpt/elegy-my-mother%E2%80%99s-mind" rel="nofollow">Prairie Schooner</a>.</p>

<p>Our two favorite books on elegy are Jahan Ramazani&#39;s <a href="https://press.uchicago.edu/ucp/books/book/chicago/P/bo3683910.html" rel="nofollow"><em>Poetry of Mourning: The Modern Elegy from Hardy to Heaney</em></a> and Peter Sacks&#39;s <a href="https://jhupbooks.press.jhu.edu/title/english-elegy" rel="nofollow"><em>The English Elegy: Studies in the Genre from Spenser to Yeats</em></a>.</p>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<p>In this episode, our guest Laura Van Prooyen reads &quot;Elegy for My Mother&#39;s Mind,&quot; a poem that navigates the complexities of memory, loss, and familial relationships. Laura&#39;s poem gives us an opportunity to think about the deep sources of poetic inspiration, the revision process, and the power of metaphor.</p>

<p>To learn more about Laura&#39;s work, check her <a href="https://lauravanprooyen.com/" rel="nofollow">website</a>. </p>

<p>Click here to see the version of the poem that appeared in <a href="https://prairieschooner.unl.edu/excerpt/elegy-my-mother%E2%80%99s-mind" rel="nofollow">Prairie Schooner</a>.</p>

<p>Our two favorite books on elegy are Jahan Ramazani&#39;s <a href="https://press.uchicago.edu/ucp/books/book/chicago/P/bo3683910.html" rel="nofollow"><em>Poetry of Mourning: The Modern Elegy from Hardy to Heaney</em></a> and Peter Sacks&#39;s <a href="https://jhupbooks.press.jhu.edu/title/english-elegy" rel="nofollow"><em>The English Elegy: Studies in the Genre from Spenser to Yeats</em></a>.</p>]]>
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  <title>Episode 24: Robert Hayden, Those Winter Sundays</title>
  <link>https://poetryforall.fireside.fm/24</link>
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  <pubDate>Mon, 14 Jun 2021 13:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
  <author>Joanne Diaz and Abram Van Engen</author>
  <enclosure url="https://aphid.fireside.fm/d/1437767933/d55a3bfc-6538-4214-882b-a389e71b4bf6/85fa8fcb-1c95-4f9c-b677-18cb88c47ea1.mp3" length="15598451" type="audio/mpeg"/>
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  <itunes:author>Joanne Diaz and Abram Van Engen</itunes:author>
  <itunes:subtitle></itunes:subtitle>
  <itunes:duration>20:49</itunes:duration>
  <itunes:explicit>no</itunes:explicit>
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  <description>Robert Hayden was one of the greatest American poets of the twentieth century. His poems are known for their formal grace and his deep and broad explorations of the African American experience. "Those Winter Sundays" is one of our all-time favorite poems. We hope you enjoy this conversation.
For the text of "Those Winter Sundays," click here: https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/46461/those-winter-sundays
For more about Robert Hayden, click here:  https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/robert-hayden
We love Reginald Dwayne Betts's introduction to the Centenary Edition of Robert Hayden's Collected Poems, edited by Frederick Glaysher. Please do find a copy at your local library or at your favorite bookstore: https://wwnorton.com/books/9780871406798 
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  <itunes:keywords>20th century, aging, black history month, children, father's day, gratitude, love, sonnet, surprise, winter, wonder</itunes:keywords>
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    <![CDATA[<p>Robert Hayden was one of the greatest American poets of the twentieth century. His poems are known for their formal grace and his deep and broad explorations of the African American experience. &quot;Those Winter Sundays&quot; is one of our all-time favorite poems. We hope you enjoy this conversation.</p>

<p>For the text of &quot;Those Winter Sundays,&quot; click here: <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/46461/those-winter-sundays" rel="nofollow">https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/46461/those-winter-sundays</a></p>

<p>For more about Robert Hayden, click here:  <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/robert-hayden" rel="nofollow">https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/robert-hayden</a></p>

<p>We love Reginald Dwayne Betts&#39;s introduction to the Centenary Edition of Robert Hayden&#39;s <em>Collected Poems,</em> edited by Frederick Glaysher. Please do find a copy at your local library or at your favorite bookstore: <a href="https://wwnorton.com/books/9780871406798" rel="nofollow">https://wwnorton.com/books/9780871406798</a></p>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<p>Robert Hayden was one of the greatest American poets of the twentieth century. His poems are known for their formal grace and his deep and broad explorations of the African American experience. &quot;Those Winter Sundays&quot; is one of our all-time favorite poems. We hope you enjoy this conversation.</p>

<p>For the text of &quot;Those Winter Sundays,&quot; click here: <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/46461/those-winter-sundays" rel="nofollow">https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/46461/those-winter-sundays</a></p>

<p>For more about Robert Hayden, click here:  <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/robert-hayden" rel="nofollow">https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/robert-hayden</a></p>

<p>We love Reginald Dwayne Betts&#39;s introduction to the Centenary Edition of Robert Hayden&#39;s <em>Collected Poems,</em> edited by Frederick Glaysher. Please do find a copy at your local library or at your favorite bookstore: <a href="https://wwnorton.com/books/9780871406798" rel="nofollow">https://wwnorton.com/books/9780871406798</a></p>]]>
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  <title>Episode 16: John Milton, When I Consider How My Light is Spent</title>
  <link>https://poetryforall.fireside.fm/16</link>
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  <pubDate>Mon, 15 Feb 2021 12:00:00 -0500</pubDate>
  <author>Joanne Diaz and Abram Van Engen</author>
  <enclosure url="https://aphid.fireside.fm/d/1437767933/d55a3bfc-6538-4214-882b-a389e71b4bf6/4ab5e9d9-4cd1-4a49-948e-0b332ae2d5c4.mp3" length="12589957" type="audio/mpeg"/>
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  <itunes:season>2</itunes:season>
  <itunes:author>Joanne Diaz and Abram Van Engen</itunes:author>
  <itunes:subtitle>The episode explores Milton's great sonnet spun from the difficulties of middle age and new disappointments. We consider how he pulls consolation from his sense of defeat and near despair. Faced with his coming blindness, he hears the voice of Patience giving him the strength to wait.</itunes:subtitle>
  <itunes:duration>15:57</itunes:duration>
  <itunes:explicit>no</itunes:explicit>
  <itunes:image href="https://media24.fireside.fm/file/fireside-images-2024/podcasts/images/d/d55a3bfc-6538-4214-882b-a389e71b4bf6/episodes/4/4ab5e9d9-4cd1-4a49-948e-0b332ae2d5c4/cover.jpg?v=1"/>
  <description>The episode explores Milton's great sonnet spun from the difficulties of middle age and new disappointments. We consider how he pulls consolation from his sense of defeat and near despair. Faced with his coming blindness, he hears the voice of Patience giving him the strength to wait.
THE TEXT (https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/44750/sonnet-19-when-i-consider-how-my-light-is-spent)
John Milton, "When I Consider How My Light is Spent"
When I consider how my light is spent,
   Ere half my days, in this dark world and wide,
   And that one Talent which is death to hide
   Lodged with me useless, though my Soul more bent
To serve therewith my Maker, and present
   My true account, lest he returning chide;
   “Doth God exact day-labour, light denied?”
   I fondly ask. But patience, to prevent
That murmur, soon replies, “God doth not need
   Either man’s work or his own gifts; who best
   Bear his mild yoke, they serve him best. His state
Is Kingly. Thousands at his bidding speed
   And post o’er Land and Ocean without rest:
   They also serve who only stand and wait.”
https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/john-milton 
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  <itunes:keywords>17th century, aging, anger, body in pain, christianity, grief and loss, hope, rhymed verse, sonnet, surprise</itunes:keywords>
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    <![CDATA[<p>The episode explores Milton&#39;s great sonnet spun from the difficulties of middle age and new disappointments. We consider how he pulls consolation from his sense of defeat and near despair. Faced with his coming blindness, he hears the voice of Patience giving him the strength to wait.</p>

<p><a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/44750/sonnet-19-when-i-consider-how-my-light-is-spent" rel="nofollow">THE TEXT</a></p>

<p><strong>John Milton, &quot;When I Consider How My Light is Spent&quot;</strong></p>

<p>When I consider how my light is spent,<br>
   Ere half my days, in this dark world and wide,<br>
   And that one Talent which is death to hide<br>
   Lodged with me useless, though my Soul more bent<br>
To serve therewith my Maker, and present<br>
   My true account, lest he returning chide;<br>
   “Doth God exact day-labour, light denied?”<br>
   I fondly ask. But patience, to prevent<br>
That murmur, soon replies, “God doth not need<br>
   Either man’s work or his own gifts; who best<br>
   Bear his mild yoke, they serve him best. His state<br>
Is Kingly. Thousands at his bidding speed<br>
   And post o’er Land and Ocean without rest:<br>
   They also serve who only stand and wait.”</p>

<p><a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/john-milton" rel="nofollow">https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/john-milton</a></p>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<p>The episode explores Milton&#39;s great sonnet spun from the difficulties of middle age and new disappointments. We consider how he pulls consolation from his sense of defeat and near despair. Faced with his coming blindness, he hears the voice of Patience giving him the strength to wait.</p>

<p><a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/44750/sonnet-19-when-i-consider-how-my-light-is-spent" rel="nofollow">THE TEXT</a></p>

<p><strong>John Milton, &quot;When I Consider How My Light is Spent&quot;</strong></p>

<p>When I consider how my light is spent,<br>
   Ere half my days, in this dark world and wide,<br>
   And that one Talent which is death to hide<br>
   Lodged with me useless, though my Soul more bent<br>
To serve therewith my Maker, and present<br>
   My true account, lest he returning chide;<br>
   “Doth God exact day-labour, light denied?”<br>
   I fondly ask. But patience, to prevent<br>
That murmur, soon replies, “God doth not need<br>
   Either man’s work or his own gifts; who best<br>
   Bear his mild yoke, they serve him best. His state<br>
Is Kingly. Thousands at his bidding speed<br>
   And post o’er Land and Ocean without rest:<br>
   They also serve who only stand and wait.”</p>

<p><a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/john-milton" rel="nofollow">https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/john-milton</a></p>]]>
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  <title>Episode 12: James Merrill, Christmas Tree</title>
  <link>https://poetryforall.fireside.fm/12</link>
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  <pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2020 14:00:00 -0500</pubDate>
  <author>Joanne Diaz and Abram Van Engen</author>
  <enclosure url="https://aphid.fireside.fm/d/1437767933/d55a3bfc-6538-4214-882b-a389e71b4bf6/5ebb194d-2f3b-4857-93b1-85c731445f5a.mp3" length="16757055" type="audio/mpeg"/>
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  <itunes:season>1</itunes:season>
  <itunes:author>Joanne Diaz and Abram Van Engen</itunes:author>
  <itunes:subtitle></itunes:subtitle>
  <itunes:duration>21:37</itunes:duration>
  <itunes:explicit>no</itunes:explicit>
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  <description>In this episode, Spencer Reece guides us through a reading of "Christmas Tree," one of the last poems that James Merrill wrote before his death. We learned so much through this conversation--about the friendship between James Merrill and Spencer Reece, the rhetorical force of visual poems, and the emotional power of elegy during the AIDS pandemic as well as in our own moment. 
For the full text of "Christmas Tree," please see this page (https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poetrymagazine/browse?contentId=39363) from the September 1995 issue of Poetry magazine.
For more on James Merrill, please see this page (https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/james-merrill) from the Poetry Foundation website.
For more on Spencer Reece, please see this page (https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/spencer-reece) from the Poetry Foundation website. 
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  <itunes:keywords>20th century, advent/christmas, aging, body in pain, elegy, friendship, grief and loss, guest on the show, intimacy, lgbtqia month, love, science and medicine, visual poetry</itunes:keywords>
  <content:encoded>
    <![CDATA[<p>In this episode, Spencer Reece guides us through a reading of &quot;Christmas Tree,&quot; one of the last poems that James Merrill wrote before his death. We learned so much through this conversation--about the friendship between James Merrill and Spencer Reece, the rhetorical force of visual poems, and the emotional power of elegy during the AIDS pandemic as well as in our own moment. </p>

<p>For the full text of &quot;Christmas Tree,&quot; please see <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poetrymagazine/browse?contentId=39363" rel="nofollow">this page</a> from the September 1995 issue of <em>Poetry</em> magazine.</p>

<p>For more on James Merrill, please see <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/james-merrill" rel="nofollow">this page</a> from the Poetry Foundation website.</p>

<p>For more on Spencer Reece, please see <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/spencer-reece" rel="nofollow">this page</a> from the Poetry Foundation website. </p>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<p>In this episode, Spencer Reece guides us through a reading of &quot;Christmas Tree,&quot; one of the last poems that James Merrill wrote before his death. We learned so much through this conversation--about the friendship between James Merrill and Spencer Reece, the rhetorical force of visual poems, and the emotional power of elegy during the AIDS pandemic as well as in our own moment. </p>

<p>For the full text of &quot;Christmas Tree,&quot; please see <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poetrymagazine/browse?contentId=39363" rel="nofollow">this page</a> from the September 1995 issue of <em>Poetry</em> magazine.</p>

<p>For more on James Merrill, please see <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/james-merrill" rel="nofollow">this page</a> from the Poetry Foundation website.</p>

<p>For more on Spencer Reece, please see <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/spencer-reece" rel="nofollow">this page</a> from the Poetry Foundation website. </p>]]>
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