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    <title>Poetry For All - Episodes Tagged with “Friendship”</title>
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    <description>This podcast is for those who already love poetry and for those who know very little about it. In this podcast, we read a poem, discuss it, see what makes it tick, learn how it works, grow from it, and then read it one more time.
Introducing our brand new Poetry For All website: https://poetryforallpod.com! Please visit the new website to learn more about our guests, search for thematic episodes (ranging from Black History Month to the season of autumn), and subscribe to our newsletter. 
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    <itunes:subtitle>Finding Our Way Into Great Poems</itunes:subtitle>
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    <itunes:summary>This podcast is for those who already love poetry and for those who know very little about it. In this podcast, we read a poem, discuss it, see what makes it tick, learn how it works, grow from it, and then read it one more time.
Introducing our brand new Poetry For All website: https://poetryforallpod.com! Please visit the new website to learn more about our guests, search for thematic episodes (ranging from Black History Month to the season of autumn), and subscribe to our newsletter. 
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  <title>Episode 106: Jane Mead, I wonder if I will miss the moss</title>
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  <itunes:subtitle>This poem offers a humble love of the world and a leave-taking of it. It was found in the papers of Jane Mead (1958-2019), which were left to her great friend Kathleen Finneran (1957-2026), and it was published in the New Yorker in 2021 through Kathleen's efforts. The poem was read at the memorial for Mead in 2021 and then again at the funeral for Finneran in 2026.</itunes:subtitle>
  <itunes:duration>21:18</itunes:duration>
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  <description>This poem offers a humble love of the world and a leave-taking of it. It was found in the papers of Jane Mead (1958-2019), which were left to her great friend Kathleen Finneran (1957-2026), and it was published in the New Yorker in 2021 through Kathleen's efforts. The poem was read at the memorial for Mead in 2021 and then again at the funeral for Finneran in 2026.
Here is the poem:
I Wonder If I Will Miss the Moss
—Jane Mead (1958-2019)
I wonder if I will miss the moss
after I fly off as much as I miss it now
just thinking about leaving.
There were stones of many colors.
There were sticks holding both
lichen and moss.
There were red gates with old
hand-forged hardware.
There were fields of dry grass
smelling of first rain
then of new mud. There was mud,
and there was the walking,
all the beautiful walking,
and it alone filled me—
the smells, the scratchy grass heads.
All the sleeping under bushes,
once waking to vultures above, peering down
with their bent heads the way they do,
caricatures of interest and curiosity.
Once too a lizard.
Once too a kangaroo rat.
Once too a rat.
They did not say I belonged to them,
but I did.
Whenever the experiment on and of
my life begins to draw to a close
I’ll go back to the place that held me
and be held. It’s O.K. I think
I did what I could. I think
I sang some, I think I held my hand out.
For The New Yorker, see here (https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2021/09/20/i-wonder-if-i-will-miss-the-moss).
For a reflection on the poem by the poet Devin Kelly, see Kelly's Substack Ordinary Plots (https://ordinaryplots.substack.com/p/jane-meads-i-wonder-if-i-will-miss).
For more on Jane Mead, see The Poetry Foundation (https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/jane-mead).
For the memorial service and the tribute by Kathleen Finneran (https://www.janewmead.com/tribute), see Mead's personal webpage.
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<p>Here is the poem:</p>

<p><strong>I Wonder If I Will Miss the Moss</strong><br>
—Jane Mead (1958-2019)</p>

<p>I wonder if I will miss the moss<br>
after I fly off as much as I miss it now<br>
just thinking about leaving.</p>

<p>There were stones of many colors.<br>
There were sticks holding both<br>
lichen and moss.<br>
There were red gates with old<br>
hand-forged hardware.<br>
There were fields of dry grass<br>
smelling of first rain<br>
then of new mud. There was mud,<br>
and there was the walking,<br>
all the beautiful walking,<br>
and it alone filled me—<br>
the smells, the scratchy grass heads.<br>
All the sleeping under bushes,<br>
once waking to vultures above, peering down<br>
with their bent heads the way they do,<br>
caricatures of interest and curiosity.<br>
Once too a lizard.<br>
Once too a kangaroo rat.<br>
Once too a rat.<br>
They did not say I belonged to them,<br>
but I did.</p>

<p>Whenever the experiment on and of<br>
my life begins to draw to a close<br>
I’ll go back to the place that held me<br>
and be held. It’s O.K. I think<br>
I did what I could. I think<br>
I sang some, I think I held my hand out.</p>

<p>For The New Yorker, <a href="https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2021/09/20/i-wonder-if-i-will-miss-the-moss" rel="nofollow">see here</a>.</p>

<p>For a reflection on the poem by the poet Devin Kelly, see Kelly&#39;s Substack <a href="https://ordinaryplots.substack.com/p/jane-meads-i-wonder-if-i-will-miss" rel="nofollow">Ordinary Plots</a>.</p>

<p>For more on Jane Mead, see <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/jane-mead" rel="nofollow">The Poetry Foundation</a>.</p>

<p>For the memorial service and <a href="https://www.janewmead.com/tribute" rel="nofollow">the tribute by Kathleen Finneran</a>, see Mead&#39;s personal webpage.</p>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<p>This poem offers a humble love of the world and a leave-taking of it. It was found in the papers of Jane Mead (1958-2019), which were left to her great friend Kathleen Finneran (1957-2026), and it was published in the New Yorker in 2021 through Kathleen&#39;s efforts. The poem was read at the memorial for Mead in 2021 and then again at the funeral for Finneran in 2026.</p>

<p>Here is the poem:</p>

<p><strong>I Wonder If I Will Miss the Moss</strong><br>
—Jane Mead (1958-2019)</p>

<p>I wonder if I will miss the moss<br>
after I fly off as much as I miss it now<br>
just thinking about leaving.</p>

<p>There were stones of many colors.<br>
There were sticks holding both<br>
lichen and moss.<br>
There were red gates with old<br>
hand-forged hardware.<br>
There were fields of dry grass<br>
smelling of first rain<br>
then of new mud. There was mud,<br>
and there was the walking,<br>
all the beautiful walking,<br>
and it alone filled me—<br>
the smells, the scratchy grass heads.<br>
All the sleeping under bushes,<br>
once waking to vultures above, peering down<br>
with their bent heads the way they do,<br>
caricatures of interest and curiosity.<br>
Once too a lizard.<br>
Once too a kangaroo rat.<br>
Once too a rat.<br>
They did not say I belonged to them,<br>
but I did.</p>

<p>Whenever the experiment on and of<br>
my life begins to draw to a close<br>
I’ll go back to the place that held me<br>
and be held. It’s O.K. I think<br>
I did what I could. I think<br>
I sang some, I think I held my hand out.</p>

<p>For The New Yorker, <a href="https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2021/09/20/i-wonder-if-i-will-miss-the-moss" rel="nofollow">see here</a>.</p>

<p>For a reflection on the poem by the poet Devin Kelly, see Kelly&#39;s Substack <a href="https://ordinaryplots.substack.com/p/jane-meads-i-wonder-if-i-will-miss" rel="nofollow">Ordinary Plots</a>.</p>

<p>For more on Jane Mead, see <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/jane-mead" rel="nofollow">The Poetry Foundation</a>.</p>

<p>For the memorial service and <a href="https://www.janewmead.com/tribute" rel="nofollow">the tribute by Kathleen Finneran</a>, see Mead&#39;s personal webpage.</p>]]>
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  <title>Episode 103: Dinah Maria Craik, Friendship</title>
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  <pubDate>Fri, 16 Jan 2026 12:15:00 -0500</pubDate>
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  <itunes:subtitle>In a short, simple, well-loved poem, Dinah Maria Craik names one aspect of friendship that many have found true. A great way to start the new year and launch the season. Find a friend and listen in.</itunes:subtitle>
  <itunes:duration>14:48</itunes:duration>
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  <description>In a short, simple, well-loved poem, Dinah Maria Craik names one aspect of friendship that many have found true. A great way to start the new year and launch the season. Find a friend and listen in.
Friendship
Oh, the comfort—
the inexpressible comfort of feeling safe with a person—
having neither to weigh thoughts nor measure words,
but pouring them all right out,
just as they are,
chaff and grain together;
certain that a faithful hand will take and sift them,
keep what is worth keeping,
and then with the breath of kindness blow the rest away. 
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  <itunes:keywords>19th century, free verse, Women's History Month, Thanksgiving, friendship, joy, gratitude, love</itunes:keywords>
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<p><strong>Friendship</strong></p>

<p>Oh, the comfort—<br>
the inexpressible comfort of feeling safe with a person—<br>
having neither to weigh thoughts nor measure words,<br>
but pouring them all right out,<br>
just as they are,<br>
chaff and grain together;<br>
certain that a faithful hand will take and sift them,<br>
keep what is worth keeping,<br>
and then with the breath of kindness blow the rest away.</p>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<p>In a short, simple, well-loved poem, Dinah Maria Craik names one aspect of friendship that many have found true. A great way to start the new year and launch the season. Find a friend and listen in.</p>

<p><strong>Friendship</strong></p>

<p>Oh, the comfort—<br>
the inexpressible comfort of feeling safe with a person—<br>
having neither to weigh thoughts nor measure words,<br>
but pouring them all right out,<br>
just as they are,<br>
chaff and grain together;<br>
certain that a faithful hand will take and sift them,<br>
keep what is worth keeping,<br>
and then with the breath of kindness blow the rest away.</p>]]>
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  <title>Episode 77: Jennifer Grotz, The Conversion of Paul</title>
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  <pubDate>Thu, 05 Sep 2024 09:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
  <author>Joanne Diaz and Abram Van Engen</author>
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  <itunes:season>6</itunes:season>
  <itunes:author>Joanne Diaz and Abram Van Engen</itunes:author>
  <itunes:subtitle>Poetry engages in conversation. Today, we explore a long, beautiful, narrative poem weaving together the work of fellow poets while looking carefully at a Caravaggio painting, all reflecting on illness, death, and friendship.</itunes:subtitle>
  <itunes:duration>26:14</itunes:duration>
  <itunes:explicit>no</itunes:explicit>
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  <description>Poetry engages in conversation. Today, we explore a long, beautiful, narrative poem weaving together the work of fellow poets while looking carefully at a Caravaggio painting, all reflecting on illness, death, and friendship.
For the poem, see here: https://www.nereview.com/vol-40-no-1-2019/the-conversion-of-paul/
For Grotz's incredible book, Still Falling, see Graywolf  (https://www.graywolfpress.org/books/still-falling)Press here: https://www.graywolfpress.org/books/still-falling
“Still Falling is an undeniably gorgeous book of love poems full of grief. In these pages, Jennifer Grotz writes line after line of direct statement in rhythms that would leave any reader breathless and wanting more. . . . I am in awe of Grotz’s power to grow and transform book after book. I cannot read Still Falling without crying.”—Jericho Brown
For the Caravaggio painting, The Conversion on the Way to Damascus (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conversion_on_the_Way_to_Damascus), see here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ConversionontheWayto_Damascus 
For more episodes on ekphrasis, please see our website and keywords here:
https://poetryforallpod.com/episodes/
Thanks to Graywolf Press for permission to read this poem on the podcast. Jennifer Grotz's "The Conversation of Paul" was published in her collection titled Still Falling (Graywolf, 2023). 
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  <itunes:keywords>21st century, free verse, narrative, ekphrasis, Christianity, body in pain, friendship, grief and loss</itunes:keywords>
  <content:encoded>
    <![CDATA[<p>Poetry engages in conversation. Today, we explore a long, beautiful, narrative poem weaving together the work of fellow poets while looking carefully at a Caravaggio painting, all reflecting on illness, death, and friendship.</p>

<p>For the poem, see here: <a href="https://www.nereview.com/vol-40-no-1-2019/the-conversion-of-paul/" rel="nofollow">https://www.nereview.com/vol-40-no-1-2019/the-conversion-of-paul/</a></p>

<p>For Grotz&#39;s incredible book, Still Falling, see <a href="https://www.graywolfpress.org/books/still-falling" rel="nofollow">Graywolf </a>Press here: <a href="https://www.graywolfpress.org/books/still-falling" rel="nofollow">https://www.graywolfpress.org/books/still-falling</a></p>

<p>“Still Falling is an undeniably gorgeous book of love poems full of grief. In these pages, Jennifer Grotz writes line after line of direct statement in rhythms that would leave any reader breathless and wanting more. . . . I am in awe of Grotz’s power to grow and transform book after book. I cannot read Still Falling without crying.”—Jericho Brown</p>

<p>For the Caravaggio painting, <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conversion_on_the_Way_to_Damascus" rel="nofollow">The Conversion on the Way to Damascus</a>, see here: <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conversion_on_the_Way_to_Damascus" rel="nofollow">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conversion_on_the_Way_to_Damascus</a> </p>

<p>For more episodes on ekphrasis, please see our website and keywords here:<br>
<a href="https://poetryforallpod.com/episodes/" rel="nofollow">https://poetryforallpod.com/episodes/</a></p>

<p>Thanks to Graywolf Press for permission to read this poem on the podcast. Jennifer Grotz&#39;s &quot;The Conversation of Paul&quot; was published in her collection titled <em>Still Falling</em> (Graywolf, 2023). </p>]]>
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  <itunes:summary>
    <![CDATA[<p>Poetry engages in conversation. Today, we explore a long, beautiful, narrative poem weaving together the work of fellow poets while looking carefully at a Caravaggio painting, all reflecting on illness, death, and friendship.</p>

<p>For the poem, see here: <a href="https://www.nereview.com/vol-40-no-1-2019/the-conversion-of-paul/" rel="nofollow">https://www.nereview.com/vol-40-no-1-2019/the-conversion-of-paul/</a></p>

<p>For Grotz&#39;s incredible book, Still Falling, see <a href="https://www.graywolfpress.org/books/still-falling" rel="nofollow">Graywolf </a>Press here: <a href="https://www.graywolfpress.org/books/still-falling" rel="nofollow">https://www.graywolfpress.org/books/still-falling</a></p>

<p>“Still Falling is an undeniably gorgeous book of love poems full of grief. In these pages, Jennifer Grotz writes line after line of direct statement in rhythms that would leave any reader breathless and wanting more. . . . I am in awe of Grotz’s power to grow and transform book after book. I cannot read Still Falling without crying.”—Jericho Brown</p>

<p>For the Caravaggio painting, <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conversion_on_the_Way_to_Damascus" rel="nofollow">The Conversion on the Way to Damascus</a>, see here: <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conversion_on_the_Way_to_Damascus" rel="nofollow">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conversion_on_the_Way_to_Damascus</a> </p>

<p>For more episodes on ekphrasis, please see our website and keywords here:<br>
<a href="https://poetryforallpod.com/episodes/" rel="nofollow">https://poetryforallpod.com/episodes/</a></p>

<p>Thanks to Graywolf Press for permission to read this poem on the podcast. Jennifer Grotz&#39;s &quot;The Conversation of Paul&quot; was published in her collection titled <em>Still Falling</em> (Graywolf, 2023). </p>]]>
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  <title>Episode 64: Shakespeare, Sonnet 29</title>
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  <pubDate>Fri, 22 Sep 2023 09:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
  <author>Joanne Diaz and Abram Van Engen</author>
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  <itunes:subtitle>Shakespeare's Sonnet 29 opens a world of comparison and despair, but also the deep joy of a dear friend that lifts one from disgrace. In our discussion, we consider present-day concerns about social media, the Surgeon General's warning about an epidemic of loneliness in this country, and a long-term Harvard study of happiness. </itunes:subtitle>
  <itunes:duration>19:51</itunes:duration>
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  <description>In episode 64, we talk about Shakespeare's sonnet 29, a poem about comparison and competition, leading the poet almost to despise himself before, by chance, he remembers his dear friend and is lifted by the deep joy of that relationship.
We link our discussion to present-day concerns about social media, the Surgeon General's warning about an epidemic of loneliness in this country, and a long-term Harvard study of happiness. Links below.
Here is the poem:
Sonnet 29
When, in disgrace with fortune and men’s eyes,
I all alone beweep my outcast state,
And trouble deaf heaven with my bootless cries,
And look upon myself and curse my fate,
Wishing me like to one more rich in hope,
Featured like him, like him with friends possessed,
Desiring this man’s art and that man’s scope,
With what I most enjoy contented least;
Yet in these thoughts myself almost despising,
Haply I think on thee, and then my state,
(Like to the lark at break of day arising
From sullen earth) sings hymns at heaven’s gate;
       For thy sweet love remembered such wealth brings
       That then I scorn to change my state with kings.
Links to the Surgeon General's Warning about Social Media
https://www.npr.org/2023/05/23/1177626373/u-s-surgeon-general-vivek-murthy-warns-about-the-dangers-of-social-media-to-kids#:~:text=Social%20media%20can%20present%20a,a%20new%20advisory%20released%20Tuesday.
Various Links on the Harvard Happiness Study
https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2017/04/over-nearly-80-years-harvard-study-has-been-showing-how-to-live-a-healthy-and-happy-life/
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2023/01/harvard-happiness-study-relationships/672753/
https://www.cnbc.com/2023/02/10/85-year-harvard-study-found-the-secret-to-a-long-happy-and-successful-life.html
https://www.reuters.com/markets/wealth/what-worlds-longest-happiness-study-says-about-money-2023-02-06/
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    <![CDATA[<p>In episode 64, we talk about Shakespeare&#39;s sonnet 29, a poem about comparison and competition, leading the poet almost to despise himself before, by chance, he remembers his dear friend and is lifted by the deep joy of that relationship.</p>

<p>We link our discussion to present-day concerns about social media, the Surgeon General&#39;s warning about an epidemic of loneliness in this country, and a long-term Harvard study of happiness. Links below.</p>

<p><strong>Here is the poem:</strong></p>

<p><em>Sonnet 29</em></p>

<p>When, in disgrace with fortune and men’s eyes,<br>
I all alone beweep my outcast state,<br>
And trouble deaf heaven with my bootless cries,<br>
And look upon myself and curse my fate,<br>
Wishing me like to one more rich in hope,<br>
Featured like him, like him with friends possessed,<br>
Desiring this man’s art and that man’s scope,<br>
With what I most enjoy contented least;<br>
Yet in these thoughts myself almost despising,<br>
Haply I think on thee, and then my state,<br>
(Like to the lark at break of day arising<br>
From sullen earth) sings hymns at heaven’s gate;<br>
       For thy sweet love remembered such wealth brings<br>
       That then I scorn to change my state with kings.</p>

<p><strong>Links to the Surgeon General&#39;s Warning about Social Media</strong></p>

<p><a href="https://www.npr.org/2023/05/23/1177626373/u-s-surgeon-general-vivek-murthy-warns-about-the-dangers-of-social-media-to-kids#:%7E:text=Social%20media%20can%20present%20a,a%20new%20advisory%20released%20Tuesday" rel="nofollow">https://www.npr.org/2023/05/23/1177626373/u-s-surgeon-general-vivek-murthy-warns-about-the-dangers-of-social-media-to-kids#:~:text=Social%20media%20can%20present%20a,a%20new%20advisory%20released%20Tuesday</a>.</p>

<p><strong>Various Links on the Harvard Happiness Study</strong></p>

<p><a href="https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2017/04/over-nearly-80-years-harvard-study-has-been-showing-how-to-live-a-healthy-and-happy-life/" rel="nofollow">https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2017/04/over-nearly-80-years-harvard-study-has-been-showing-how-to-live-a-healthy-and-happy-life/</a></p>

<p><a href="https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2023/01/harvard-happiness-study-relationships/672753/" rel="nofollow">https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2023/01/harvard-happiness-study-relationships/672753/</a></p>

<p><a href="https://www.cnbc.com/2023/02/10/85-year-harvard-study-found-the-secret-to-a-long-happy-and-successful-life.html" rel="nofollow">https://www.cnbc.com/2023/02/10/85-year-harvard-study-found-the-secret-to-a-long-happy-and-successful-life.html</a></p>

<p><a href="https://www.reuters.com/markets/wealth/what-worlds-longest-happiness-study-says-about-money-2023-02-06/" rel="nofollow">https://www.reuters.com/markets/wealth/what-worlds-longest-happiness-study-says-about-money-2023-02-06/</a></p><p>Links:</p><ul><li><a title="Sonnet 29" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/45090/sonnet-29-when-in-disgrace-with-fortune-and-mens-eyes">Sonnet 29</a></li><li><a title="Surgeon General on Loneliness" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.nytimes.com/2023/04/30/opinion/loneliness-epidemic-america.html">Surgeon General on Loneliness</a></li><li><a title="Surgeon General on Social Media" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.npr.org/2023/05/23/1177626373/u-s-surgeon-general-vivek-murthy-warns-about-the-dangers-of-social-media-to-kids#:~:text=Social%20media%20can%20present%20a,a%20new%20advisory%20released%20Tuesday.">Surgeon General on Social Media</a></li><li><a title="Harvard Study of Happiness" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2023/01/harvard-happiness-study-relationships/672753/">Harvard Study of Happiness</a></li></ul>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<p>In episode 64, we talk about Shakespeare&#39;s sonnet 29, a poem about comparison and competition, leading the poet almost to despise himself before, by chance, he remembers his dear friend and is lifted by the deep joy of that relationship.</p>

<p>We link our discussion to present-day concerns about social media, the Surgeon General&#39;s warning about an epidemic of loneliness in this country, and a long-term Harvard study of happiness. Links below.</p>

<p><strong>Here is the poem:</strong></p>

<p><em>Sonnet 29</em></p>

<p>When, in disgrace with fortune and men’s eyes,<br>
I all alone beweep my outcast state,<br>
And trouble deaf heaven with my bootless cries,<br>
And look upon myself and curse my fate,<br>
Wishing me like to one more rich in hope,<br>
Featured like him, like him with friends possessed,<br>
Desiring this man’s art and that man’s scope,<br>
With what I most enjoy contented least;<br>
Yet in these thoughts myself almost despising,<br>
Haply I think on thee, and then my state,<br>
(Like to the lark at break of day arising<br>
From sullen earth) sings hymns at heaven’s gate;<br>
       For thy sweet love remembered such wealth brings<br>
       That then I scorn to change my state with kings.</p>

<p><strong>Links to the Surgeon General&#39;s Warning about Social Media</strong></p>

<p><a href="https://www.npr.org/2023/05/23/1177626373/u-s-surgeon-general-vivek-murthy-warns-about-the-dangers-of-social-media-to-kids#:%7E:text=Social%20media%20can%20present%20a,a%20new%20advisory%20released%20Tuesday" rel="nofollow">https://www.npr.org/2023/05/23/1177626373/u-s-surgeon-general-vivek-murthy-warns-about-the-dangers-of-social-media-to-kids#:~:text=Social%20media%20can%20present%20a,a%20new%20advisory%20released%20Tuesday</a>.</p>

<p><strong>Various Links on the Harvard Happiness Study</strong></p>

<p><a href="https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2017/04/over-nearly-80-years-harvard-study-has-been-showing-how-to-live-a-healthy-and-happy-life/" rel="nofollow">https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2017/04/over-nearly-80-years-harvard-study-has-been-showing-how-to-live-a-healthy-and-happy-life/</a></p>

<p><a href="https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2023/01/harvard-happiness-study-relationships/672753/" rel="nofollow">https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2023/01/harvard-happiness-study-relationships/672753/</a></p>

<p><a href="https://www.cnbc.com/2023/02/10/85-year-harvard-study-found-the-secret-to-a-long-happy-and-successful-life.html" rel="nofollow">https://www.cnbc.com/2023/02/10/85-year-harvard-study-found-the-secret-to-a-long-happy-and-successful-life.html</a></p>

<p><a href="https://www.reuters.com/markets/wealth/what-worlds-longest-happiness-study-says-about-money-2023-02-06/" rel="nofollow">https://www.reuters.com/markets/wealth/what-worlds-longest-happiness-study-says-about-money-2023-02-06/</a></p><p>Links:</p><ul><li><a title="Sonnet 29" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/45090/sonnet-29-when-in-disgrace-with-fortune-and-mens-eyes">Sonnet 29</a></li><li><a title="Surgeon General on Loneliness" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.nytimes.com/2023/04/30/opinion/loneliness-epidemic-america.html">Surgeon General on Loneliness</a></li><li><a title="Surgeon General on Social Media" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.npr.org/2023/05/23/1177626373/u-s-surgeon-general-vivek-murthy-warns-about-the-dangers-of-social-media-to-kids#:~:text=Social%20media%20can%20present%20a,a%20new%20advisory%20released%20Tuesday.">Surgeon General on Social Media</a></li><li><a title="Harvard Study of Happiness" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2023/01/harvard-happiness-study-relationships/672753/">Harvard Study of Happiness</a></li></ul>]]>
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  <title>Episode 12: James Merrill, Christmas Tree</title>
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  <pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2020 14:00:00 -0500</pubDate>
  <author>Joanne Diaz and Abram Van Engen</author>
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  <description>In this episode, Spencer Reece guides us through a reading of "Christmas Tree," one of the last poems that James Merrill wrote before his death. We learned so much through this conversation--about the friendship between James Merrill and Spencer Reece, the rhetorical force of visual poems, and the emotional power of elegy during the AIDS pandemic as well as in our own moment. 
For the full text of "Christmas Tree," please see this page (https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poetrymagazine/browse?contentId=39363) from the September 1995 issue of Poetry magazine.
For more on James Merrill, please see this page (https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/james-merrill) from the Poetry Foundation website.
For more on Spencer Reece, please see this page (https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/spencer-reece) from the Poetry Foundation website. 
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  <itunes:keywords>20th century, advent/christmas, aging, body in pain, elegy, friendship, grief and loss, guest on the show, intimacy, lgbtqia month, love, science and medicine, visual poetry</itunes:keywords>
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    <![CDATA[<p>In this episode, Spencer Reece guides us through a reading of &quot;Christmas Tree,&quot; one of the last poems that James Merrill wrote before his death. We learned so much through this conversation--about the friendship between James Merrill and Spencer Reece, the rhetorical force of visual poems, and the emotional power of elegy during the AIDS pandemic as well as in our own moment. </p>

<p>For the full text of &quot;Christmas Tree,&quot; please see <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poetrymagazine/browse?contentId=39363" rel="nofollow">this page</a> from the September 1995 issue of <em>Poetry</em> magazine.</p>

<p>For more on James Merrill, please see <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/james-merrill" rel="nofollow">this page</a> from the Poetry Foundation website.</p>

<p>For more on Spencer Reece, please see <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/spencer-reece" rel="nofollow">this page</a> from the Poetry Foundation website. </p>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<p>In this episode, Spencer Reece guides us through a reading of &quot;Christmas Tree,&quot; one of the last poems that James Merrill wrote before his death. We learned so much through this conversation--about the friendship between James Merrill and Spencer Reece, the rhetorical force of visual poems, and the emotional power of elegy during the AIDS pandemic as well as in our own moment. </p>

<p>For the full text of &quot;Christmas Tree,&quot; please see <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poetrymagazine/browse?contentId=39363" rel="nofollow">this page</a> from the September 1995 issue of <em>Poetry</em> magazine.</p>

<p>For more on James Merrill, please see <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/james-merrill" rel="nofollow">this page</a> from the Poetry Foundation website.</p>

<p>For more on Spencer Reece, please see <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/spencer-reece" rel="nofollow">this page</a> from the Poetry Foundation website. </p>]]>
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  <title>Episode 11: Alberto Ríos, When Giving Is All We Have</title>
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  <pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2020 11:00:00 -0500</pubDate>
  <author>Joanne Diaz and Abram Van Engen</author>
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  <itunes:subtitle>In this episode, we read and discuss a poem about giving by Alberto Ríos, the inaugural state poet laureate of Arizona. </itunes:subtitle>
  <itunes:duration>15:46</itunes:duration>
  <itunes:explicit>no</itunes:explicit>
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  <description>In this episode, we think with the inaugural state poet laureate of Arizona, Alberto Ríos, about the meaning of giving. Why do we give? What is giving? And what are its consequences? Ríos wrote this poem for a broad audience and has shared it with many different groups. It is, on the one hand, a very simple and accessible poem, easy to understand. And it is also, on the other hand, filled with rich layers, structures, images, and contexts. We explore here how simplicity and complexity work together.
For the full text of the poem, see here (https://poets.org/poem/when-giving-all-we-have).
For more on Alberto Ríos, see the Poetry Foundation here (https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/alberto-rios).
Thanks to Copper Canyon Press for granting us permission to read this poem in this episode. You can find "When Giving Is All We Have" in A Small Story about the Sky: https://www.coppercanyonpress.org/books/a-small-story-about-the-sky-by-alberto-rios/ 
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  <itunes:keywords>21st century, free verse, friendship, gratitude, hispanic heritage month, joy, repetition or refrain, thanksgiving</itunes:keywords>
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    <![CDATA[<p>In this episode, we think with the inaugural state poet laureate of Arizona, Alberto Ríos, about the meaning of giving. Why do we give? What is giving? And what are its consequences? Ríos wrote this poem for a broad audience and has shared it with many different groups. It is, on the one hand, a very simple and accessible poem, easy to understand. And it is also, on the other hand, filled with rich layers, structures, images, and contexts. We explore here how simplicity and complexity work together.</p>

<p>For the full text of the poem, <a href="https://poets.org/poem/when-giving-all-we-have" rel="nofollow">see here</a>.</p>

<p>For more on Alberto Ríos, <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/alberto-rios" rel="nofollow">see the Poetry Foundation here</a>.</p>

<p>Thanks to Copper Canyon Press for granting us permission to read this poem in this episode. You can find &quot;When Giving Is All We Have&quot; in <em>A Small Story about the Sky</em>: <a href="https://www.coppercanyonpress.org/books/a-small-story-about-the-sky-by-alberto-rios/" rel="nofollow">https://www.coppercanyonpress.org/books/a-small-story-about-the-sky-by-alberto-rios/</a></p><p>Links:</p><ul><li><a title="When Giving Is All We Have by Alberto Ríos - Poems | poets.org" rel="nofollow" href="https://poets.org/poem/when-giving-all-we-have">When Giving Is All We Have by Alberto Ríos - Poems | poets.org</a> &mdash; inaugural state poet laureate of Arizona</li><li><a title="Alberto Ríos | Poetry Foundation" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/alberto-rios">Alberto Ríos | Poetry Foundation</a></li></ul>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<p>In this episode, we think with the inaugural state poet laureate of Arizona, Alberto Ríos, about the meaning of giving. Why do we give? What is giving? And what are its consequences? Ríos wrote this poem for a broad audience and has shared it with many different groups. It is, on the one hand, a very simple and accessible poem, easy to understand. And it is also, on the other hand, filled with rich layers, structures, images, and contexts. We explore here how simplicity and complexity work together.</p>

<p>For the full text of the poem, <a href="https://poets.org/poem/when-giving-all-we-have" rel="nofollow">see here</a>.</p>

<p>For more on Alberto Ríos, <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/alberto-rios" rel="nofollow">see the Poetry Foundation here</a>.</p>

<p>Thanks to Copper Canyon Press for granting us permission to read this poem in this episode. You can find &quot;When Giving Is All We Have&quot; in <em>A Small Story about the Sky</em>: <a href="https://www.coppercanyonpress.org/books/a-small-story-about-the-sky-by-alberto-rios/" rel="nofollow">https://www.coppercanyonpress.org/books/a-small-story-about-the-sky-by-alberto-rios/</a></p><p>Links:</p><ul><li><a title="When Giving Is All We Have by Alberto Ríos - Poems | poets.org" rel="nofollow" href="https://poets.org/poem/when-giving-all-we-have">When Giving Is All We Have by Alberto Ríos - Poems | poets.org</a> &mdash; inaugural state poet laureate of Arizona</li><li><a title="Alberto Ríos | Poetry Foundation" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/alberto-rios">Alberto Ríos | Poetry Foundation</a></li></ul>]]>
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