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    <title>Poetry For All - Episodes Tagged with “Grief And Loss”</title>
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    <description>This podcast is for those who already love poetry and for those who know very little about it. In this podcast, we read a poem, discuss it, see what makes it tick, learn how it works, grow from it, and then read it one more time.
Introducing our brand new Poetry For All website: https://poetryforallpod.com! Please visit the new website to learn more about our guests, search for thematic episodes (ranging from Black History Month to the season of autumn), and subscribe to our newsletter. 
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    <itunes:subtitle>Finding Our Way Into Great Poems</itunes:subtitle>
    <itunes:author>Joanne Diaz and Abram Van Engen</itunes:author>
    <itunes:summary>This podcast is for those who already love poetry and for those who know very little about it. In this podcast, we read a poem, discuss it, see what makes it tick, learn how it works, grow from it, and then read it one more time.
Introducing our brand new Poetry For All website: https://poetryforallpod.com! Please visit the new website to learn more about our guests, search for thematic episodes (ranging from Black History Month to the season of autumn), and subscribe to our newsletter. 
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  <title>Episode 108: Joanne Diaz, The Face</title>
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  <pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2026 08:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
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  <itunes:subtitle>In a special episode, we celebrate the release of Joanne Diaz's latest book, _Electric Dress_, by reading "The Face," a poem of double ekphrasis that reflects on the hope of tomorrow in the losses of today.</itunes:subtitle>
  <itunes:duration>25:45</itunes:duration>
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  <description>In a special episode, we celebrate the release of Joanne Diaz's latest book, Electric Dress, by reading "The Face," a poem of double ekphrasis that reflects on the hope of tomorrow in the losses of today.
To order the book Electric Dress, see Barrow Street Press here:
https://barrowstreet.org/press/product/electric-dress-joanne-diaz/
For more on Joanne Diaz, see her faculty homepage:
https://www.iwu.edu/english/faculty/diaz.html
For more on the work of William Utermohlen, see this article and exhibition:
https://digitalcommons.iwu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1000&amp;amp;context=utermohlen
For the work of Catherine Drabkin, see her website:
https://catherinedrabkin.com/
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  <itunes:keywords>21st century, free verse, ekphrasis, aging, hope, grief and loss</itunes:keywords>
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    <![CDATA[<p>In a special episode, we celebrate the release of Joanne Diaz&#39;s latest book, <em>Electric Dress</em>, by reading &quot;The Face,&quot; a poem of double ekphrasis that reflects on the hope of tomorrow in the losses of today.</p>

<p>To order the book <em>Electric Dress</em>, see Barrow Street Press here:<br>
<a href="https://barrowstreet.org/press/product/electric-dress-joanne-diaz/" rel="nofollow">https://barrowstreet.org/press/product/electric-dress-joanne-diaz/</a></p>

<p>For more on Joanne Diaz, see her faculty homepage:<br>
<a href="https://www.iwu.edu/english/faculty/diaz.html" rel="nofollow">https://www.iwu.edu/english/faculty/diaz.html</a></p>

<p>For more on the work of William Utermohlen, see this article and exhibition:<br>
<a href="https://digitalcommons.iwu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1000&context=utermohlen" rel="nofollow">https://digitalcommons.iwu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1000&amp;context=utermohlen</a></p>

<p>For the work of Catherine Drabkin, see her website:<br>
<a href="https://catherinedrabkin.com/" rel="nofollow">https://catherinedrabkin.com/</a></p>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<p>In a special episode, we celebrate the release of Joanne Diaz&#39;s latest book, <em>Electric Dress</em>, by reading &quot;The Face,&quot; a poem of double ekphrasis that reflects on the hope of tomorrow in the losses of today.</p>

<p>To order the book <em>Electric Dress</em>, see Barrow Street Press here:<br>
<a href="https://barrowstreet.org/press/product/electric-dress-joanne-diaz/" rel="nofollow">https://barrowstreet.org/press/product/electric-dress-joanne-diaz/</a></p>

<p>For more on Joanne Diaz, see her faculty homepage:<br>
<a href="https://www.iwu.edu/english/faculty/diaz.html" rel="nofollow">https://www.iwu.edu/english/faculty/diaz.html</a></p>

<p>For more on the work of William Utermohlen, see this article and exhibition:<br>
<a href="https://digitalcommons.iwu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1000&context=utermohlen" rel="nofollow">https://digitalcommons.iwu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1000&amp;context=utermohlen</a></p>

<p>For the work of Catherine Drabkin, see her website:<br>
<a href="https://catherinedrabkin.com/" rel="nofollow">https://catherinedrabkin.com/</a></p>]]>
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  <title>Episode 106: Jane Mead, I wonder if I will miss the moss</title>
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  <pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2026 17:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
  <author>Joanne Diaz and Abram Van Engen</author>
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  <itunes:subtitle>This poem offers a humble love of the world and a leave-taking of it. It was found in the papers of Jane Mead (1958-2019), which were left to her great friend Kathleen Finneran (1957-2026), and it was published in the New Yorker in 2021 through Kathleen's efforts. The poem was read at the memorial for Mead in 2021 and then again at the funeral for Finneran in 2026.</itunes:subtitle>
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  <description>This poem offers a humble love of the world and a leave-taking of it. It was found in the papers of Jane Mead (1958-2019), which were left to her great friend Kathleen Finneran (1957-2026), and it was published in the New Yorker in 2021 through Kathleen's efforts. The poem was read at the memorial for Mead in 2021 and then again at the funeral for Finneran in 2026.
Here is the poem:
I Wonder If I Will Miss the Moss
—Jane Mead (1958-2019)
I wonder if I will miss the moss
after I fly off as much as I miss it now
just thinking about leaving.
There were stones of many colors.
There were sticks holding both
lichen and moss.
There were red gates with old
hand-forged hardware.
There were fields of dry grass
smelling of first rain
then of new mud. There was mud,
and there was the walking,
all the beautiful walking,
and it alone filled me—
the smells, the scratchy grass heads.
All the sleeping under bushes,
once waking to vultures above, peering down
with their bent heads the way they do,
caricatures of interest and curiosity.
Once too a lizard.
Once too a kangaroo rat.
Once too a rat.
They did not say I belonged to them,
but I did.
Whenever the experiment on and of
my life begins to draw to a close
I’ll go back to the place that held me
and be held. It’s O.K. I think
I did what I could. I think
I sang some, I think I held my hand out.
For The New Yorker, see here (https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2021/09/20/i-wonder-if-i-will-miss-the-moss).
For a reflection on the poem by the poet Devin Kelly, see Kelly's Substack Ordinary Plots (https://ordinaryplots.substack.com/p/jane-meads-i-wonder-if-i-will-miss).
For more on Jane Mead, see The Poetry Foundation (https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/jane-mead).
For the memorial service and the tribute by Kathleen Finneran (https://www.janewmead.com/tribute), see Mead's personal webpage.
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  <itunes:keywords>21st century, free verse, spirituality, nature poetry, friendship, gratitude, grief and loss</itunes:keywords>
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    <![CDATA[<p>This poem offers a humble love of the world and a leave-taking of it. It was found in the papers of Jane Mead (1958-2019), which were left to her great friend Kathleen Finneran (1957-2026), and it was published in the New Yorker in 2021 through Kathleen&#39;s efforts. The poem was read at the memorial for Mead in 2021 and then again at the funeral for Finneran in 2026.</p>

<p>Here is the poem:</p>

<p><strong>I Wonder If I Will Miss the Moss</strong><br>
—Jane Mead (1958-2019)</p>

<p>I wonder if I will miss the moss<br>
after I fly off as much as I miss it now<br>
just thinking about leaving.</p>

<p>There were stones of many colors.<br>
There were sticks holding both<br>
lichen and moss.<br>
There were red gates with old<br>
hand-forged hardware.<br>
There were fields of dry grass<br>
smelling of first rain<br>
then of new mud. There was mud,<br>
and there was the walking,<br>
all the beautiful walking,<br>
and it alone filled me—<br>
the smells, the scratchy grass heads.<br>
All the sleeping under bushes,<br>
once waking to vultures above, peering down<br>
with their bent heads the way they do,<br>
caricatures of interest and curiosity.<br>
Once too a lizard.<br>
Once too a kangaroo rat.<br>
Once too a rat.<br>
They did not say I belonged to them,<br>
but I did.</p>

<p>Whenever the experiment on and of<br>
my life begins to draw to a close<br>
I’ll go back to the place that held me<br>
and be held. It’s O.K. I think<br>
I did what I could. I think<br>
I sang some, I think I held my hand out.</p>

<p>For The New Yorker, <a href="https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2021/09/20/i-wonder-if-i-will-miss-the-moss" rel="nofollow">see here</a>.</p>

<p>For a reflection on the poem by the poet Devin Kelly, see Kelly&#39;s Substack <a href="https://ordinaryplots.substack.com/p/jane-meads-i-wonder-if-i-will-miss" rel="nofollow">Ordinary Plots</a>.</p>

<p>For more on Jane Mead, see <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/jane-mead" rel="nofollow">The Poetry Foundation</a>.</p>

<p>For the memorial service and <a href="https://www.janewmead.com/tribute" rel="nofollow">the tribute by Kathleen Finneran</a>, see Mead&#39;s personal webpage.</p>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<p>This poem offers a humble love of the world and a leave-taking of it. It was found in the papers of Jane Mead (1958-2019), which were left to her great friend Kathleen Finneran (1957-2026), and it was published in the New Yorker in 2021 through Kathleen&#39;s efforts. The poem was read at the memorial for Mead in 2021 and then again at the funeral for Finneran in 2026.</p>

<p>Here is the poem:</p>

<p><strong>I Wonder If I Will Miss the Moss</strong><br>
—Jane Mead (1958-2019)</p>

<p>I wonder if I will miss the moss<br>
after I fly off as much as I miss it now<br>
just thinking about leaving.</p>

<p>There were stones of many colors.<br>
There were sticks holding both<br>
lichen and moss.<br>
There were red gates with old<br>
hand-forged hardware.<br>
There were fields of dry grass<br>
smelling of first rain<br>
then of new mud. There was mud,<br>
and there was the walking,<br>
all the beautiful walking,<br>
and it alone filled me—<br>
the smells, the scratchy grass heads.<br>
All the sleeping under bushes,<br>
once waking to vultures above, peering down<br>
with their bent heads the way they do,<br>
caricatures of interest and curiosity.<br>
Once too a lizard.<br>
Once too a kangaroo rat.<br>
Once too a rat.<br>
They did not say I belonged to them,<br>
but I did.</p>

<p>Whenever the experiment on and of<br>
my life begins to draw to a close<br>
I’ll go back to the place that held me<br>
and be held. It’s O.K. I think<br>
I did what I could. I think<br>
I sang some, I think I held my hand out.</p>

<p>For The New Yorker, <a href="https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2021/09/20/i-wonder-if-i-will-miss-the-moss" rel="nofollow">see here</a>.</p>

<p>For a reflection on the poem by the poet Devin Kelly, see Kelly&#39;s Substack <a href="https://ordinaryplots.substack.com/p/jane-meads-i-wonder-if-i-will-miss" rel="nofollow">Ordinary Plots</a>.</p>

<p>For more on Jane Mead, see <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/jane-mead" rel="nofollow">The Poetry Foundation</a>.</p>

<p>For the memorial service and <a href="https://www.janewmead.com/tribute" rel="nofollow">the tribute by Kathleen Finneran</a>, see Mead&#39;s personal webpage.</p>]]>
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<item>
  <title>Episode 104: Jane Zwart, I read that the moon is rusting</title>
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  <pubDate>Sat, 31 Jan 2026 09:00:00 -0500</pubDate>
  <author>Joanne Diaz and Abram Van Engen</author>
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  <itunes:season>8</itunes:season>
  <itunes:author>Joanne Diaz and Abram Van Engen</itunes:author>
  <itunes:subtitle>This episode brings together a collage of images to explore the meaning of time, the emergence of events from one to another, and the wonder of the unknown.</itunes:subtitle>
  <itunes:duration>24:28</itunes:duration>
  <itunes:explicit>no</itunes:explicit>
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  <description>This episode brings together a collage of images to explore the meaning of time, the emergence of events from one to another, and the wonder of the unknown.
For the full text of the poem, see here:
https://mail.readwildness.com/25/zwart-rusting
For more on the poet Jane Zwart, see her personal website:
https://www.janezwart.com/
To see her new book and purchase a copy, see "Oddest &amp;amp; Oldest &amp;amp; Saddest &amp;amp; Best" at Orison Books:
https://www.orisonbooks.com/product-page/oddest-oldest-saddest-best-poems-by-jane-zwart 
</description>
  <itunes:keywords>guest on the show, 21st century, free verse, spirituality, children, wonder, surprise, grief and loss</itunes:keywords>
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    <![CDATA[<p>This episode brings together a collage of images to explore the meaning of time, the emergence of events from one to another, and the wonder of the unknown.</p>

<p>For the full text of the poem, see here:<br>
<a href="https://mail.readwildness.com/25/zwart-rusting" rel="nofollow">https://mail.readwildness.com/25/zwart-rusting</a></p>

<p>For more on the poet Jane Zwart, see her personal website:<br>
<a href="https://www.janezwart.com/" rel="nofollow">https://www.janezwart.com/</a></p>

<p>To see her new book and purchase a copy, see &quot;Oddest &amp; Oldest &amp; Saddest &amp; Best&quot; at Orison Books:<br>
<a href="https://www.orisonbooks.com/product-page/oddest-oldest-saddest-best-poems-by-jane-zwart" rel="nofollow">https://www.orisonbooks.com/product-page/oddest-oldest-saddest-best-poems-by-jane-zwart</a></p>]]>
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  <itunes:summary>
    <![CDATA[<p>This episode brings together a collage of images to explore the meaning of time, the emergence of events from one to another, and the wonder of the unknown.</p>

<p>For the full text of the poem, see here:<br>
<a href="https://mail.readwildness.com/25/zwart-rusting" rel="nofollow">https://mail.readwildness.com/25/zwart-rusting</a></p>

<p>For more on the poet Jane Zwart, see her personal website:<br>
<a href="https://www.janezwart.com/" rel="nofollow">https://www.janezwart.com/</a></p>

<p>To see her new book and purchase a copy, see &quot;Oddest &amp; Oldest &amp; Saddest &amp; Best&quot; at Orison Books:<br>
<a href="https://www.orisonbooks.com/product-page/oddest-oldest-saddest-best-poems-by-jane-zwart" rel="nofollow">https://www.orisonbooks.com/product-page/oddest-oldest-saddest-best-poems-by-jane-zwart</a></p>]]>
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  <title>Episode 101: Emerald GoingSnake, Someday I'll Love--</title>
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  <pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2025 08:00:00 -0500</pubDate>
  <author>Joanne Diaz and Abram Van Engen</author>
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  <itunes:season>7</itunes:season>
  <itunes:author>Joanne Diaz and Abram Van Engen</itunes:author>
  <itunes:subtitle>This episode opens "Someday I'll Love" poems through the vivid imagery of a young poet's connection with their grandmother, remembering in love as memory begins to slip.</itunes:subtitle>
  <itunes:duration>23:53</itunes:duration>
  <itunes:explicit>no</itunes:explicit>
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  <description>This episode opens "Someday I'll Love" poems through the vivid imagery of a young poet's connection with their grandmother, remembering in love as memory begins to slip.
Emerald ᏃᏈᏏ GoingSnake is an Indigenous poet from the United Keetoowah Band of Cherokee Indians and the Muscogee (Creek) Nation in Oklahoma. Winner of the 2024 Maureen Egen Writers Exchange Award for poetry and the recipient of the 2023 Indigenous Nations Poets fellowship, they live in St. Louis.
Portrait by Erin Lewis Photography
The poem was featured on Poem-a-Day and can be found at the Academy of American Poets.
See here for the poem online. (https://poets.org/poem/someday-ill-love)
Someday I’ll Love—
Emerald ᏃᏈᏏ GoingSnake
—after Frank O’Hara
like I dreamt of the lamb—slaughtered,
            forgotten,
lying on porcelain tile, on crimson-filled grout—
            and woke up thinking of my grandmother,
of her Betty Boop hands that held 
marbled stone, held dough-balled flour, 
held the first strands of my hair floating atop the river—
like winter apples, the ones that hang outside
my living room window and survive first snowfall 
to feed the neighborhood crows,
            how they fall
beneath my boots, staining my rubber 
soles with epigraphs of rot, epigraphs 
            of fors, of dears, of holding on till frost’s end.
Someday I will see long-forgotten fingerprints 
on the inside of my eyelids as I go to sleep,
as I close my eyes for silence on a Wednesday,
mourning—seeking—creases and smile lines, 
                porch lights and swing sets, 
summer nights of lightning bugs and Johnny Cash.
I think it will be a Tuesday, or maybe someday 
is yesterday, is two months from now, is going 
to be a day when I forget what I’m supposed 
            to be remembering.
For now, I will paint my nails cradle, adorn 
my skin in cloth that doesn’t choke,
tell my bones that they are each 
            a lamb
                        remembered.
Copyright © 2024 by Emerald ᏃᏈᏏ GoingSnake. Originally published in Poem-a-Day on November 7, 2024, by the Academy of American Poets. Used by permission.
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  <itunes:keywords>guest on the show, 21st century, free verse, elegy, Native American Heritage Month, aging, gratitude, love, grief and loss</itunes:keywords>
  <content:encoded>
    <![CDATA[<p>This episode opens &quot;Someday I&#39;ll Love&quot; poems through the vivid imagery of a young poet&#39;s connection with their grandmother, remembering in love as memory begins to slip.</p>

<p>Emerald ᏃᏈᏏ GoingSnake is an Indigenous poet from the United Keetoowah Band of Cherokee Indians and the Muscogee (Creek) Nation in Oklahoma. Winner of the 2024 Maureen Egen Writers Exchange Award for poetry and the recipient of the 2023 Indigenous Nations Poets fellowship, they live in St. Louis.</p>

<p>Portrait by Erin Lewis Photography</p>

<p>The poem was featured on Poem-a-Day and can be found at the Academy of American Poets.</p>

<p><a href="https://poets.org/poem/someday-ill-love" rel="nofollow">See here for the poem online.</a></p>

<p><strong>Someday I’ll Love—</strong></p>

<p>Emerald ᏃᏈᏏ GoingSnake<br>
<em>—after Frank O’Hara</em></p>

<p>like I dreamt of the lamb—slaughtered,<br>
            forgotten,<br>
lying on porcelain tile, on crimson-filled grout—<br>
            and woke up thinking of my grandmother,<br>
of her Betty Boop hands that held <br>
marbled stone, held dough-balled flour, <br>
held the first strands of my hair floating atop the river—</p>

<p>like winter apples, the ones that hang outside<br>
my living room window and survive first snowfall <br>
to feed the neighborhood crows,<br>
            how they fall<br>
beneath my boots, staining my rubber <br>
soles with epigraphs of rot, epigraphs <br>
            of fors, of dears, of holding on till frost’s end.</p>

<p>Someday I will see long-forgotten fingerprints <br>
on the inside of my eyelids as I go to sleep,<br>
as I close my eyes for silence on a Wednesday,<br>
mourning—seeking—creases and smile lines, <br>
                porch lights and swing sets, <br>
summer nights of lightning bugs and Johnny Cash.</p>

<p>I think it will be a Tuesday, or maybe someday <br>
is yesterday, is two months from now, is going <br>
to be a day when I forget what I’m supposed <br>
            to be remembering.</p>

<p>For now, I will paint my nails cradle, adorn <br>
my skin in cloth that doesn’t choke,<br>
tell my bones that they are each <br>
            a lamb<br>
                        remembered.</p>

<p>Copyright © 2024 by Emerald ᏃᏈᏏ GoingSnake. Originally published in Poem-a-Day on November 7, 2024, by the Academy of American Poets. Used by permission.</p>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<p>This episode opens &quot;Someday I&#39;ll Love&quot; poems through the vivid imagery of a young poet&#39;s connection with their grandmother, remembering in love as memory begins to slip.</p>

<p>Emerald ᏃᏈᏏ GoingSnake is an Indigenous poet from the United Keetoowah Band of Cherokee Indians and the Muscogee (Creek) Nation in Oklahoma. Winner of the 2024 Maureen Egen Writers Exchange Award for poetry and the recipient of the 2023 Indigenous Nations Poets fellowship, they live in St. Louis.</p>

<p>Portrait by Erin Lewis Photography</p>

<p>The poem was featured on Poem-a-Day and can be found at the Academy of American Poets.</p>

<p><a href="https://poets.org/poem/someday-ill-love" rel="nofollow">See here for the poem online.</a></p>

<p><strong>Someday I’ll Love—</strong></p>

<p>Emerald ᏃᏈᏏ GoingSnake<br>
<em>—after Frank O’Hara</em></p>

<p>like I dreamt of the lamb—slaughtered,<br>
            forgotten,<br>
lying on porcelain tile, on crimson-filled grout—<br>
            and woke up thinking of my grandmother,<br>
of her Betty Boop hands that held <br>
marbled stone, held dough-balled flour, <br>
held the first strands of my hair floating atop the river—</p>

<p>like winter apples, the ones that hang outside<br>
my living room window and survive first snowfall <br>
to feed the neighborhood crows,<br>
            how they fall<br>
beneath my boots, staining my rubber <br>
soles with epigraphs of rot, epigraphs <br>
            of fors, of dears, of holding on till frost’s end.</p>

<p>Someday I will see long-forgotten fingerprints <br>
on the inside of my eyelids as I go to sleep,<br>
as I close my eyes for silence on a Wednesday,<br>
mourning—seeking—creases and smile lines, <br>
                porch lights and swing sets, <br>
summer nights of lightning bugs and Johnny Cash.</p>

<p>I think it will be a Tuesday, or maybe someday <br>
is yesterday, is two months from now, is going <br>
to be a day when I forget what I’m supposed <br>
            to be remembering.</p>

<p>For now, I will paint my nails cradle, adorn <br>
my skin in cloth that doesn’t choke,<br>
tell my bones that they are each <br>
            a lamb<br>
                        remembered.</p>

<p>Copyright © 2024 by Emerald ᏃᏈᏏ GoingSnake. Originally published in Poem-a-Day on November 7, 2024, by the Academy of American Poets. Used by permission.</p>]]>
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  <title>Episode 100: Thomas Gray, Elegy Written in a Country Churchyard</title>
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  <itunes:subtitle>This episode takes us to a graveyard for Halloween and explores one of the most canonical poems in the English language, poised between two huge eras of poetry as it meditates on how "the paths of glory lead but to the grave."</itunes:subtitle>
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  <description>This episode takes us to a graveyard for Halloween and explores one of the most canonical poems in the English language, poised between two huge eras of poetry as it meditates on how "the paths of glory lead but to the grave."
The whole  poem can be found below. 
The image is of Thomas Gray's monument in Stoke Poges, inscribed with his elegy. Photo by UKgeofan at English Wikipedia, CC BY-SA 3.0, https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?curid=10552507
For more on Thomas Gray, see The Poetry Foundation (https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/thomas-gray).
Elegy Written in a Country Churchyard
By Thomas Gray
The curfew tolls the knell of parting day,
         The lowing herd wind slowly o'er the lea,
The plowman homeward plods his weary way,
         And leaves the world to darkness and to me.
Now fades the glimm'ring landscape on the sight,
         And all the air a solemn stillness holds,
Save where the beetle wheels his droning flight,
         And drowsy tinklings lull the distant folds;
Save that from yonder ivy-mantled tow'r
         The moping owl does to the moon complain
Of such, as wand'ring near her secret bow'r,
         Molest her ancient solitary reign.
Beneath those rugged elms, that yew-tree's shade,
         Where heaves the turf in many a mould'ring heap,
Each in his narrow cell for ever laid,
         The rude forefathers of the hamlet sleep.
The breezy call of incense-breathing Morn,
         The swallow twitt'ring from the straw-built shed,
The cock's shrill clarion, or the echoing horn,
         No more shall rouse them from their lowly bed.
For them no more the blazing hearth shall burn,
         Or busy housewife ply her evening care:
No children run to lisp their sire's return,
         Or climb his knees the envied kiss to share.
Oft did the harvest to their sickle yield,
         Their furrow oft the stubborn glebe has broke;
How jocund did they drive their team afield!
         How bow'd the woods beneath their sturdy stroke!
Let not Ambition mock their useful toil,
         Their homely joys, and destiny obscure;
Nor Grandeur hear with a disdainful smile
         The short and simple annals of the poor.
The boast of heraldry, the pomp of pow'r,
         And all that beauty, all that wealth e'er gave,
Awaits alike th' inevitable hour.
         The paths of glory lead but to the grave.
Nor you, ye proud, impute to these the fault,
         If Mem'ry o'er their tomb no trophies raise,
Where thro' the long-drawn aisle and fretted vault
         The pealing anthem swells the note of praise.
Can storied urn or animated bust
         Back to its mansion call the fleeting breath?
Can Honour's voice provoke the silent dust,
         Or Flatt'ry soothe the dull cold ear of Death?
Perhaps in this neglected spot is laid
         Some heart once pregnant with celestial fire;
Hands, that the rod of empire might have sway'd,
         Or wak'd to ecstasy the living lyre.
But Knowledge to their eyes her ample page
         Rich with the spoils of time did ne'er unroll;
Chill Penury repress'd their noble rage,
         And froze the genial current of the soul.
Full many a gem of purest ray serene,
         The dark unfathom'd caves of ocean bear:
Full many a flow'r is born to blush unseen,
         And waste its sweetness on the desert air.
Some village-Hampden, that with dauntless breast
         The little tyrant of his fields withstood;
Some mute inglorious Milton here may rest,
         Some Cromwell guiltless of his country's blood.
Th' applause of list'ning senates to command,
         The threats of pain and ruin to despise,
To scatter plenty o'er a smiling land,
         And read their hist'ry in a nation's eyes,
Their lot forbade: nor circumscrib'd alone
         Their growing virtues, but their crimes confin'd;
Forbade to wade through slaughter to a throne,
         And shut the gates of mercy on mankind,
The struggling pangs of conscious truth to hide,
         To quench the blushes of ingenuous shame,
Or heap the shrine of Luxury and Pride
         With incense kindled at the Muse's flame.
Far from the madding crowd's ignoble strife,
         Their sober wishes never learn'd to stray;
Along the cool sequester'd vale of life
         They kept the noiseless tenor of their way.
Yet ev'n these bones from insult to protect,
         Some frail memorial still erected nigh,
With uncouth rhymes and shapeless sculpture deck'd,
         Implores the passing tribute of a sigh.
Their name, their years, spelt by th' unletter'd muse,
         The place of fame and elegy supply:
And many a holy text around she strews,
         That teach the rustic moralist to die.
For who to dumb Forgetfulness a prey,
         This pleasing anxious being e'er resign'd,
Left the warm precincts of the cheerful day,
         Nor cast one longing, ling'ring look behind?
On some fond breast the parting soul relies,
         Some pious drops the closing eye requires;
Ev'n from the tomb the voice of Nature cries,
         Ev'n in our ashes live their wonted fires.
For thee, who mindful of th' unhonour'd Dead
         Dost in these lines their artless tale relate;
If chance, by lonely contemplation led,
         Some kindred spirit shall inquire thy fate,
Haply some hoary-headed swain may say,
         "Oft have we seen him at the peep of dawn
Brushing with hasty steps the dews away
         To meet the sun upon the upland lawn.
"There at the foot of yonder nodding beech
         That wreathes its old fantastic roots so high,
His listless length at noontide would he stretch,
         And pore upon the brook that babbles by.
"Hard by yon wood, now smiling as in scorn,
         Mutt'ring his wayward fancies he would rove,
Now drooping, woeful wan, like one forlorn,
         Or craz'd with care, or cross'd in hopeless love.
"One morn I miss'd him on the custom'd hill,
         Along the heath and near his fav'rite tree;
Another came; nor yet beside the rill,
         Nor up the lawn, nor at the wood was he;
"The next with dirges due in sad array
         Slow thro' the church-way path we saw him borne.
Approach and read (for thou canst read) the lay,
         Grav'd on the stone beneath yon aged thorn."
THE EPITAPH
Here rests his head upon the lap of Earth
       A youth to Fortune and to Fame unknown.
Fair Science frown'd not on his humble birth,
       And Melancholy mark'd him for her own.
Large was his bounty, and his soul sincere,
       Heav'n did a recompense as largely send:
He gave to Mis'ry all he had, a tear,
       He gain'd from Heav'n ('twas all he wish'd) a friend.
No farther seek his merits to disclose,
       Or draw his frailties from their dread abode,
(There they alike in trembling hope repose)
       The bosom of his Father and his God.
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    <![CDATA[<p>This episode takes us to a graveyard for Halloween and explores one of the most canonical poems in the English language, poised between two huge eras of poetry as it meditates on how &quot;the paths of glory lead but to the grave.&quot;</p>

<p>The whole  poem can be found below. </p>

<p>The image is of Thomas Gray&#39;s monument in Stoke Poges, inscribed with his elegy. Photo by UKgeofan at English Wikipedia, CC BY-SA 3.0, <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?curid=10552507" rel="nofollow">https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?curid=10552507</a></p>

<p>For more on Thomas Gray, see <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/thomas-gray" rel="nofollow">The Poetry Foundation</a>.</p>

<p><strong>Elegy Written in a Country Churchyard</strong></p>

<p><em>By Thomas Gray</em></p>

<p>The curfew tolls the knell of parting day,<br>
         The lowing herd wind slowly o&#39;er the lea,<br>
The plowman homeward plods his weary way,<br>
         And leaves the world to darkness and to me.</p>

<p>Now fades the glimm&#39;ring landscape on the sight,<br>
         And all the air a solemn stillness holds,<br>
Save where the beetle wheels his droning flight,<br>
         And drowsy tinklings lull the distant folds;</p>

<p>Save that from yonder ivy-mantled tow&#39;r<br>
         The moping owl does to the moon complain<br>
Of such, as wand&#39;ring near her secret bow&#39;r,<br>
         Molest her ancient solitary reign.</p>

<p>Beneath those rugged elms, that yew-tree&#39;s shade,<br>
         Where heaves the turf in many a mould&#39;ring heap,<br>
Each in his narrow cell for ever laid,<br>
         The rude forefathers of the hamlet sleep.</p>

<p>The breezy call of incense-breathing Morn,<br>
         The swallow twitt&#39;ring from the straw-built shed,<br>
The cock&#39;s shrill clarion, or the echoing horn,<br>
         No more shall rouse them from their lowly bed.</p>

<p>For them no more the blazing hearth shall burn,<br>
         Or busy housewife ply her evening care:<br>
No children run to lisp their sire&#39;s return,<br>
         Or climb his knees the envied kiss to share.</p>

<p>Oft did the harvest to their sickle yield,<br>
         Their furrow oft the stubborn glebe has broke;<br>
How jocund did they drive their team afield!<br>
         How bow&#39;d the woods beneath their sturdy stroke!</p>

<p>Let not Ambition mock their useful toil,<br>
         Their homely joys, and destiny obscure;<br>
Nor Grandeur hear with a disdainful smile<br>
         The short and simple annals of the poor.</p>

<p>The boast of heraldry, the pomp of pow&#39;r,<br>
         And all that beauty, all that wealth e&#39;er gave,<br>
Awaits alike th&#39; inevitable hour.<br>
         The paths of glory lead but to the grave.</p>

<p>Nor you, ye proud, impute to these the fault,<br>
         If Mem&#39;ry o&#39;er their tomb no trophies raise,<br>
Where thro&#39; the long-drawn aisle and fretted vault<br>
         The pealing anthem swells the note of praise.</p>

<p>Can storied urn or animated bust<br>
         Back to its mansion call the fleeting breath?<br>
Can Honour&#39;s voice provoke the silent dust,<br>
         Or Flatt&#39;ry soothe the dull cold ear of Death?</p>

<p>Perhaps in this neglected spot is laid<br>
         Some heart once pregnant with celestial fire;<br>
Hands, that the rod of empire might have sway&#39;d,<br>
         Or wak&#39;d to ecstasy the living lyre.</p>

<p>But Knowledge to their eyes her ample page<br>
         Rich with the spoils of time did ne&#39;er unroll;<br>
Chill Penury repress&#39;d their noble rage,<br>
         And froze the genial current of the soul.</p>

<p>Full many a gem of purest ray serene,<br>
         The dark unfathom&#39;d caves of ocean bear:<br>
Full many a flow&#39;r is born to blush unseen,<br>
         And waste its sweetness on the desert air.</p>

<p>Some village-Hampden, that with dauntless breast<br>
         The little tyrant of his fields withstood;<br>
Some mute inglorious Milton here may rest,<br>
         Some Cromwell guiltless of his country&#39;s blood.</p>

<p>Th&#39; applause of list&#39;ning senates to command,<br>
         The threats of pain and ruin to despise,<br>
To scatter plenty o&#39;er a smiling land,<br>
         And read their hist&#39;ry in a nation&#39;s eyes,</p>

<p>Their lot forbade: nor circumscrib&#39;d alone<br>
         Their growing virtues, but their crimes confin&#39;d;<br>
Forbade to wade through slaughter to a throne,<br>
         And shut the gates of mercy on mankind,</p>

<p>The struggling pangs of conscious truth to hide,<br>
         To quench the blushes of ingenuous shame,<br>
Or heap the shrine of Luxury and Pride<br>
         With incense kindled at the Muse&#39;s flame.</p>

<p>Far from the madding crowd&#39;s ignoble strife,<br>
         Their sober wishes never learn&#39;d to stray;<br>
Along the cool sequester&#39;d vale of life<br>
         They kept the noiseless tenor of their way.</p>

<p>Yet ev&#39;n these bones from insult to protect,<br>
         Some frail memorial still erected nigh,<br>
With uncouth rhymes and shapeless sculpture deck&#39;d,<br>
         Implores the passing tribute of a sigh.</p>

<p>Their name, their years, spelt by th&#39; unletter&#39;d muse,<br>
         The place of fame and elegy supply:<br>
And many a holy text around she strews,<br>
         That teach the rustic moralist to die.</p>

<p>For who to dumb Forgetfulness a prey,<br>
         This pleasing anxious being e&#39;er resign&#39;d,<br>
Left the warm precincts of the cheerful day,<br>
         Nor cast one longing, ling&#39;ring look behind?</p>

<p>On some fond breast the parting soul relies,<br>
         Some pious drops the closing eye requires;<br>
Ev&#39;n from the tomb the voice of Nature cries,<br>
         Ev&#39;n in our ashes live their wonted fires.</p>

<p>For thee, who mindful of th&#39; unhonour&#39;d Dead<br>
         Dost in these lines their artless tale relate;<br>
If chance, by lonely contemplation led,<br>
         Some kindred spirit shall inquire thy fate,</p>

<p>Haply some hoary-headed swain may say,<br>
         &quot;Oft have we seen him at the peep of dawn<br>
Brushing with hasty steps the dews away<br>
         To meet the sun upon the upland lawn.</p>

<p>&quot;There at the foot of yonder nodding beech<br>
         That wreathes its old fantastic roots so high,<br>
His listless length at noontide would he stretch,<br>
         And pore upon the brook that babbles by.</p>

<p>&quot;Hard by yon wood, now smiling as in scorn,<br>
         Mutt&#39;ring his wayward fancies he would rove,<br>
Now drooping, woeful wan, like one forlorn,<br>
         Or craz&#39;d with care, or cross&#39;d in hopeless love.</p>

<p>&quot;One morn I miss&#39;d him on the custom&#39;d hill,<br>
         Along the heath and near his fav&#39;rite tree;<br>
Another came; nor yet beside the rill,<br>
         Nor up the lawn, nor at the wood was he;</p>

<p>&quot;The next with dirges due in sad array<br>
         Slow thro&#39; the church-way path we saw him borne.<br>
Approach and read (for thou canst read) the lay,<br>
         Grav&#39;d on the stone beneath yon aged thorn.&quot;</p>

<p>THE EPITAPH</p>

<p>Here rests his head upon the lap of Earth<br>
       A youth to Fortune and to Fame unknown.<br>
Fair Science frown&#39;d not on his humble birth,<br>
       And Melancholy mark&#39;d him for her own.</p>

<p>Large was his bounty, and his soul sincere,<br>
       Heav&#39;n did a recompense as largely send:<br>
He gave to Mis&#39;ry all he had, a tear,<br>
       He gain&#39;d from Heav&#39;n (&#39;twas all he wish&#39;d) a friend.</p>

<p>No farther seek his merits to disclose,<br>
       Or draw his frailties from their dread abode,<br>
(There they alike in trembling hope repose)<br>
       The bosom of his Father and his God.</p>]]>
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  <itunes:summary>
    <![CDATA[<p>This episode takes us to a graveyard for Halloween and explores one of the most canonical poems in the English language, poised between two huge eras of poetry as it meditates on how &quot;the paths of glory lead but to the grave.&quot;</p>

<p>The whole  poem can be found below. </p>

<p>The image is of Thomas Gray&#39;s monument in Stoke Poges, inscribed with his elegy. Photo by UKgeofan at English Wikipedia, CC BY-SA 3.0, <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?curid=10552507" rel="nofollow">https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?curid=10552507</a></p>

<p>For more on Thomas Gray, see <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/thomas-gray" rel="nofollow">The Poetry Foundation</a>.</p>

<p><strong>Elegy Written in a Country Churchyard</strong></p>

<p><em>By Thomas Gray</em></p>

<p>The curfew tolls the knell of parting day,<br>
         The lowing herd wind slowly o&#39;er the lea,<br>
The plowman homeward plods his weary way,<br>
         And leaves the world to darkness and to me.</p>

<p>Now fades the glimm&#39;ring landscape on the sight,<br>
         And all the air a solemn stillness holds,<br>
Save where the beetle wheels his droning flight,<br>
         And drowsy tinklings lull the distant folds;</p>

<p>Save that from yonder ivy-mantled tow&#39;r<br>
         The moping owl does to the moon complain<br>
Of such, as wand&#39;ring near her secret bow&#39;r,<br>
         Molest her ancient solitary reign.</p>

<p>Beneath those rugged elms, that yew-tree&#39;s shade,<br>
         Where heaves the turf in many a mould&#39;ring heap,<br>
Each in his narrow cell for ever laid,<br>
         The rude forefathers of the hamlet sleep.</p>

<p>The breezy call of incense-breathing Morn,<br>
         The swallow twitt&#39;ring from the straw-built shed,<br>
The cock&#39;s shrill clarion, or the echoing horn,<br>
         No more shall rouse them from their lowly bed.</p>

<p>For them no more the blazing hearth shall burn,<br>
         Or busy housewife ply her evening care:<br>
No children run to lisp their sire&#39;s return,<br>
         Or climb his knees the envied kiss to share.</p>

<p>Oft did the harvest to their sickle yield,<br>
         Their furrow oft the stubborn glebe has broke;<br>
How jocund did they drive their team afield!<br>
         How bow&#39;d the woods beneath their sturdy stroke!</p>

<p>Let not Ambition mock their useful toil,<br>
         Their homely joys, and destiny obscure;<br>
Nor Grandeur hear with a disdainful smile<br>
         The short and simple annals of the poor.</p>

<p>The boast of heraldry, the pomp of pow&#39;r,<br>
         And all that beauty, all that wealth e&#39;er gave,<br>
Awaits alike th&#39; inevitable hour.<br>
         The paths of glory lead but to the grave.</p>

<p>Nor you, ye proud, impute to these the fault,<br>
         If Mem&#39;ry o&#39;er their tomb no trophies raise,<br>
Where thro&#39; the long-drawn aisle and fretted vault<br>
         The pealing anthem swells the note of praise.</p>

<p>Can storied urn or animated bust<br>
         Back to its mansion call the fleeting breath?<br>
Can Honour&#39;s voice provoke the silent dust,<br>
         Or Flatt&#39;ry soothe the dull cold ear of Death?</p>

<p>Perhaps in this neglected spot is laid<br>
         Some heart once pregnant with celestial fire;<br>
Hands, that the rod of empire might have sway&#39;d,<br>
         Or wak&#39;d to ecstasy the living lyre.</p>

<p>But Knowledge to their eyes her ample page<br>
         Rich with the spoils of time did ne&#39;er unroll;<br>
Chill Penury repress&#39;d their noble rage,<br>
         And froze the genial current of the soul.</p>

<p>Full many a gem of purest ray serene,<br>
         The dark unfathom&#39;d caves of ocean bear:<br>
Full many a flow&#39;r is born to blush unseen,<br>
         And waste its sweetness on the desert air.</p>

<p>Some village-Hampden, that with dauntless breast<br>
         The little tyrant of his fields withstood;<br>
Some mute inglorious Milton here may rest,<br>
         Some Cromwell guiltless of his country&#39;s blood.</p>

<p>Th&#39; applause of list&#39;ning senates to command,<br>
         The threats of pain and ruin to despise,<br>
To scatter plenty o&#39;er a smiling land,<br>
         And read their hist&#39;ry in a nation&#39;s eyes,</p>

<p>Their lot forbade: nor circumscrib&#39;d alone<br>
         Their growing virtues, but their crimes confin&#39;d;<br>
Forbade to wade through slaughter to a throne,<br>
         And shut the gates of mercy on mankind,</p>

<p>The struggling pangs of conscious truth to hide,<br>
         To quench the blushes of ingenuous shame,<br>
Or heap the shrine of Luxury and Pride<br>
         With incense kindled at the Muse&#39;s flame.</p>

<p>Far from the madding crowd&#39;s ignoble strife,<br>
         Their sober wishes never learn&#39;d to stray;<br>
Along the cool sequester&#39;d vale of life<br>
         They kept the noiseless tenor of their way.</p>

<p>Yet ev&#39;n these bones from insult to protect,<br>
         Some frail memorial still erected nigh,<br>
With uncouth rhymes and shapeless sculpture deck&#39;d,<br>
         Implores the passing tribute of a sigh.</p>

<p>Their name, their years, spelt by th&#39; unletter&#39;d muse,<br>
         The place of fame and elegy supply:<br>
And many a holy text around she strews,<br>
         That teach the rustic moralist to die.</p>

<p>For who to dumb Forgetfulness a prey,<br>
         This pleasing anxious being e&#39;er resign&#39;d,<br>
Left the warm precincts of the cheerful day,<br>
         Nor cast one longing, ling&#39;ring look behind?</p>

<p>On some fond breast the parting soul relies,<br>
         Some pious drops the closing eye requires;<br>
Ev&#39;n from the tomb the voice of Nature cries,<br>
         Ev&#39;n in our ashes live their wonted fires.</p>

<p>For thee, who mindful of th&#39; unhonour&#39;d Dead<br>
         Dost in these lines their artless tale relate;<br>
If chance, by lonely contemplation led,<br>
         Some kindred spirit shall inquire thy fate,</p>

<p>Haply some hoary-headed swain may say,<br>
         &quot;Oft have we seen him at the peep of dawn<br>
Brushing with hasty steps the dews away<br>
         To meet the sun upon the upland lawn.</p>

<p>&quot;There at the foot of yonder nodding beech<br>
         That wreathes its old fantastic roots so high,<br>
His listless length at noontide would he stretch,<br>
         And pore upon the brook that babbles by.</p>

<p>&quot;Hard by yon wood, now smiling as in scorn,<br>
         Mutt&#39;ring his wayward fancies he would rove,<br>
Now drooping, woeful wan, like one forlorn,<br>
         Or craz&#39;d with care, or cross&#39;d in hopeless love.</p>

<p>&quot;One morn I miss&#39;d him on the custom&#39;d hill,<br>
         Along the heath and near his fav&#39;rite tree;<br>
Another came; nor yet beside the rill,<br>
         Nor up the lawn, nor at the wood was he;</p>

<p>&quot;The next with dirges due in sad array<br>
         Slow thro&#39; the church-way path we saw him borne.<br>
Approach and read (for thou canst read) the lay,<br>
         Grav&#39;d on the stone beneath yon aged thorn.&quot;</p>

<p>THE EPITAPH</p>

<p>Here rests his head upon the lap of Earth<br>
       A youth to Fortune and to Fame unknown.<br>
Fair Science frown&#39;d not on his humble birth,<br>
       And Melancholy mark&#39;d him for her own.</p>

<p>Large was his bounty, and his soul sincere,<br>
       Heav&#39;n did a recompense as largely send:<br>
He gave to Mis&#39;ry all he had, a tear,<br>
       He gain&#39;d from Heav&#39;n (&#39;twas all he wish&#39;d) a friend.</p>

<p>No farther seek his merits to disclose,<br>
       Or draw his frailties from their dread abode,<br>
(There they alike in trembling hope repose)<br>
       The bosom of his Father and his God.</p>]]>
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  <title>Episode 97: Donald Justice, Pantoum of the Great Depression</title>
  <link>https://poetryforall.fireside.fm/97</link>
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  <pubDate>Wed, 17 Sep 2025 08:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
  <author>Joanne Diaz and Abram Van Engen</author>
  <enclosure url="https://aphid.fireside.fm/d/1437767933/d55a3bfc-6538-4214-882b-a389e71b4bf6/fc308360-4cc1-4007-aff9-98d2cf527df3.mp3" length="25627560" type="audio/mpeg"/>
  <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
  <itunes:season>7</itunes:season>
  <itunes:author>Joanne Diaz and Abram Van Engen</itunes:author>
  <itunes:subtitle>This episode begins a three-part series on the pantoum and looks at how the repetitions work especially well for a poem that dwells incessantly in memories of the past, trying to recover, trying to move forward.</itunes:subtitle>
  <itunes:duration>26:46</itunes:duration>
  <itunes:explicit>no</itunes:explicit>
  <itunes:image href="https://media24.fireside.fm/file/fireside-images-2024/podcasts/images/d/d55a3bfc-6538-4214-882b-a389e71b4bf6/episodes/f/fc308360-4cc1-4007-aff9-98d2cf527df3/cover.jpg?v=1"/>
  <description>This episode begins a three-part series on the pantoum and looks at how the repetitions work especially well for a poem that dwells incessantly in memories of the past, trying to recover, trying to move forward.
For the text of the poem, see The Poetry Foundation:
https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/58080/pantoum-of-the-great-depression
For more on Donald Justice, see The Poetry Foundation: 
https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/donald-justice
Copyright Credit: Donald Justice, "Pantoum of the Great Depression" from Collected Poems. Copyright © 2004 by Donald Justice.  Read on our podcast by permission of Alfred A. Knopf, Inc. 
</description>
  <itunes:keywords>grief and loss, laborers, repetition or refrain, Labor Day, pantoum, 21st century</itunes:keywords>
  <content:encoded>
    <![CDATA[<p>This episode begins a three-part series on the pantoum and looks at how the repetitions work especially well for a poem that dwells incessantly in memories of the past, trying to recover, trying to move forward.</p>

<p>For the text of the poem, see The Poetry Foundation:</p>

<p><a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/58080/pantoum-of-the-great-depression" rel="nofollow">https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/58080/pantoum-of-the-great-depression</a></p>

<p>For more on Donald Justice, see The Poetry Foundation: </p>

<p><a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/donald-justice" rel="nofollow">https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/donald-justice</a></p>

<p>Copyright Credit: Donald Justice, &quot;Pantoum of the Great Depression&quot; from Collected Poems. Copyright © 2004 by Donald Justice.  Read on our podcast by permission of Alfred A. Knopf, Inc.</p>]]>
  </content:encoded>
  <itunes:summary>
    <![CDATA[<p>This episode begins a three-part series on the pantoum and looks at how the repetitions work especially well for a poem that dwells incessantly in memories of the past, trying to recover, trying to move forward.</p>

<p>For the text of the poem, see The Poetry Foundation:</p>

<p><a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/58080/pantoum-of-the-great-depression" rel="nofollow">https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/58080/pantoum-of-the-great-depression</a></p>

<p>For more on Donald Justice, see The Poetry Foundation: </p>

<p><a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/donald-justice" rel="nofollow">https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/donald-justice</a></p>

<p>Copyright Credit: Donald Justice, &quot;Pantoum of the Great Depression&quot; from Collected Poems. Copyright © 2004 by Donald Justice.  Read on our podcast by permission of Alfred A. Knopf, Inc.</p>]]>
  </itunes:summary>
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<item>
  <title>Episode 96: Gerard Manley Hopkins, God's Grandeur</title>
  <link>https://poetryforall.fireside.fm/96</link>
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  <pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2025 10:30:00 -0400</pubDate>
  <author>Joanne Diaz and Abram Van Engen</author>
  <enclosure url="https://aphid.fireside.fm/d/1437767933/d55a3bfc-6538-4214-882b-a389e71b4bf6/35dad701-43f2-4f2b-a060-143611a8c21e.mp3" length="23912850" type="audio/mpeg"/>
  <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
  <itunes:season>7</itunes:season>
  <itunes:author>Joanne Diaz and Abram Van Engen</itunes:author>
  <itunes:subtitle>Today we look at a sonnet by Gerard Manley Hopkins that dwells equally in the grandeur of God and the wreck made of earth. Hopkins wonders how these two aspects of our world could possibly relate, and he holds out hope for the dearest freshness deep down things.</itunes:subtitle>
  <itunes:duration>24:23</itunes:duration>
  <itunes:explicit>no</itunes:explicit>
  <itunes:image href="https://media24.fireside.fm/file/fireside-images-2024/podcasts/images/d/d55a3bfc-6538-4214-882b-a389e71b4bf6/episodes/3/35dad701-43f2-4f2b-a060-143611a8c21e/cover.jpg?v=1"/>
  <description>Today we look at a sonnet by Gerard Manley Hopkins that dwells equally in the grandeur of God and the wreck made of earth. Hopkins wonders how these two aspects of our world could possibly relate, and he holds out hope for the dearest freshness deep down things.
God's Grandeur
By Gerard Manley Hopkins
The world is charged with the grandeur of God.
    It will flame out, like shining from shook foil;
    It gathers to a greatness, like the ooze of oil
Crushed. Why do men then now not reck his rod?
Generations have trod, have trod, have trod;
    And all is seared with trade; bleared, smeared with toil;
    And wears man's smudge and shares man's smell: the soil
Is bare now, nor can foot feel, being shod.
And for all this, nature is never spent;
    There lives the dearest freshness deep down things;
And though the last lights off the black West went
    Oh, morning, at the brown brink eastward, springs —
Because the Holy Ghost over the bent
    World broods with warm breast and with ah! bright wings.
</description>
  <itunes:keywords>19th century, sonnet, Christianity, rhymed verse, alliterative verse, climate change, hope, wonder, anger, grief and loss</itunes:keywords>
  <content:encoded>
    <![CDATA[<p>Today we look at a sonnet by Gerard Manley Hopkins that dwells equally in the grandeur of God and the wreck made of earth. Hopkins wonders how these two aspects of our world could possibly relate, and he holds out hope for the dearest freshness deep down things.</p>

<p><strong>God&#39;s Grandeur</strong><br>
By Gerard Manley Hopkins</p>

<p>The world is charged with the grandeur of God.<br>
    It will flame out, like shining from shook foil;<br>
    It gathers to a greatness, like the ooze of oil<br>
Crushed. Why do men then now not reck his rod?<br>
Generations have trod, have trod, have trod;<br>
    And all is seared with trade; bleared, smeared with toil;<br>
    And wears man&#39;s smudge and shares man&#39;s smell: the soil<br>
Is bare now, nor can foot feel, being shod.</p>

<p>And for all this, nature is never spent;<br>
    There lives the dearest freshness deep down things;<br>
And though the last lights off the black West went<br>
    Oh, morning, at the brown brink eastward, springs —<br>
Because the Holy Ghost over the bent<br>
    World broods with warm breast and with ah! bright wings.</p>]]>
  </content:encoded>
  <itunes:summary>
    <![CDATA[<p>Today we look at a sonnet by Gerard Manley Hopkins that dwells equally in the grandeur of God and the wreck made of earth. Hopkins wonders how these two aspects of our world could possibly relate, and he holds out hope for the dearest freshness deep down things.</p>

<p><strong>God&#39;s Grandeur</strong><br>
By Gerard Manley Hopkins</p>

<p>The world is charged with the grandeur of God.<br>
    It will flame out, like shining from shook foil;<br>
    It gathers to a greatness, like the ooze of oil<br>
Crushed. Why do men then now not reck his rod?<br>
Generations have trod, have trod, have trod;<br>
    And all is seared with trade; bleared, smeared with toil;<br>
    And wears man&#39;s smudge and shares man&#39;s smell: the soil<br>
Is bare now, nor can foot feel, being shod.</p>

<p>And for all this, nature is never spent;<br>
    There lives the dearest freshness deep down things;<br>
And though the last lights off the black West went<br>
    Oh, morning, at the brown brink eastward, springs —<br>
Because the Holy Ghost over the bent<br>
    World broods with warm breast and with ah! bright wings.</p>]]>
  </itunes:summary>
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<item>
  <title>Episode 88: Oksana Maksymchuk, Tempo</title>
  <link>https://poetryforall.fireside.fm/88</link>
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  <pubDate>Thu, 20 Mar 2025 08:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
  <author>Joanne Diaz and Abram Van Engen</author>
  <enclosure url="https://aphid.fireside.fm/d/1437767933/d55a3bfc-6538-4214-882b-a389e71b4bf6/9ea4d65c-6281-46ba-b492-1ca034362a2e.mp3" length="26611602" type="audio/mpeg"/>
  <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
  <itunes:season>6</itunes:season>
  <itunes:author>Joanne Diaz and Abram Van Engen</itunes:author>
  <itunes:subtitle>Oksana Maksymchuk joins us for a reading and discussion of "Tempo," a poem that explores the how war causes us to "whirl with / planets and stars that coil / around our fragile core." </itunes:subtitle>
  <itunes:duration>29:12</itunes:duration>
  <itunes:explicit>no</itunes:explicit>
  <itunes:image href="https://media24.fireside.fm/file/fireside-images-2024/podcasts/images/d/d55a3bfc-6538-4214-882b-a389e71b4bf6/episodes/9/9ea4d65c-6281-46ba-b492-1ca034362a2e/cover.jpg?v=1"/>
  <description>Oksana Maksymchuk joins us for a reading and discussion of "Tempo," a poem that explores the how war causes us to "whirl with / planets and stars that coil / around our fragile core." 
Oksana Maksymchuk is a bilingual Ukrainian-American poet, scholar, and literary translator. Her debut English-language poetry collection Still City (https://upittpress.org/books/9780822967354/) is the 2024 Pitt Poetry Series selection, published by University of Pittsburgh Press (US) and Carcanet Press (UK). And while Still City is Oksana’s first poem in English, she is an accomplished poet in the Ukrainian as well. She is also the co-editor of Words for War: New Poems from Ukraine, an anthology of contemporary poetry (https://www.wordsforwar.com/). 
</description>
  <itunes:keywords>21st century, free verse, surprise, war, grief and loss, violence, Ukraine</itunes:keywords>
  <content:encoded>
    <![CDATA[<p>Oksana Maksymchuk joins us for a reading and discussion of &quot;Tempo,&quot; a poem that explores the how war causes us to &quot;whirl with / planets and stars that coil / around our fragile core.&quot; </p>

<p>Oksana Maksymchuk is a bilingual Ukrainian-American poet, scholar, and literary translator. Her debut English-language poetry collection <a href="https://upittpress.org/books/9780822967354/" rel="nofollow"><em>Still City</em></a> is the 2024 Pitt Poetry Series selection, published by University of Pittsburgh Press (US) and Carcanet Press (UK). And while Still City is Oksana’s first poem in English, she is an accomplished poet in the Ukrainian as well. She is also the co-editor of <a href="https://www.wordsforwar.com/" rel="nofollow"><em>Words for War: New Poems from Ukraine, an anthology of contemporary poetry</em></a>. </p>]]>
  </content:encoded>
  <itunes:summary>
    <![CDATA[<p>Oksana Maksymchuk joins us for a reading and discussion of &quot;Tempo,&quot; a poem that explores the how war causes us to &quot;whirl with / planets and stars that coil / around our fragile core.&quot; </p>

<p>Oksana Maksymchuk is a bilingual Ukrainian-American poet, scholar, and literary translator. Her debut English-language poetry collection <a href="https://upittpress.org/books/9780822967354/" rel="nofollow"><em>Still City</em></a> is the 2024 Pitt Poetry Series selection, published by University of Pittsburgh Press (US) and Carcanet Press (UK). And while Still City is Oksana’s first poem in English, she is an accomplished poet in the Ukrainian as well. She is also the co-editor of <a href="https://www.wordsforwar.com/" rel="nofollow"><em>Words for War: New Poems from Ukraine, an anthology of contemporary poetry</em></a>. </p>]]>
  </itunes:summary>
</item>
<item>
  <title>Episode 83: Emily Dickinson, "I went to thank Her–"</title>
  <link>https://poetryforall.fireside.fm/83</link>
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  <pubDate>Wed, 27 Nov 2024 08:00:00 -0500</pubDate>
  <author>Joanne Diaz and Abram Van Engen</author>
  <enclosure url="https://aphid.fireside.fm/d/1437767933/d55a3bfc-6538-4214-882b-a389e71b4bf6/1723d6a7-dce3-4b23-abe2-8b5e1a4e0710.mp3" length="17137972" type="audio/mpeg"/>
  <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
  <itunes:season>6</itunes:season>
  <itunes:author>Joanne Diaz and Abram Van Engen</itunes:author>
  <itunes:subtitle>In this episode, we read and discuss Emily Dickinson's poem about the death of Elizabeth Barrett Browning. We discuss Dickinson's innovative syntax, her use of deep pauses, and her meditations on death and grief that create surprising effects in this short lyric. </itunes:subtitle>
  <itunes:duration>20:00</itunes:duration>
  <itunes:explicit>no</itunes:explicit>
  <itunes:image href="https://media24.fireside.fm/file/fireside-images-2024/podcasts/images/d/d55a3bfc-6538-4214-882b-a389e71b4bf6/episodes/1/1723d6a7-dce3-4b23-abe2-8b5e1a4e0710/cover.jpg?v=1"/>
  <description>In this episode, we read and discuss Emily Dickinson's poem about the death of Elizabeth Barrett Browning. We discuss Dickinson's innovative syntax, her use of deep pauses, and her meditations on death and grief that create surprising effects in this short lyric.
I went to thank Her
I went to thank Her—
But She Slept—
Her Bed—a funneled Stone—
With Nosegays at the Head and Foot—
That Travellers—had thrown—
Who went to thank Her—
But She Slept—
'Twas Short—to cross the Sea—
To look upon Her like—alive—
But turning back—'twas slow—
</description>
  <itunes:keywords>grief and loss, rhymed verse, Women's History Month, elegy, nineteenth century</itunes:keywords>
  <content:encoded>
    <![CDATA[<p>In this episode, we read and discuss Emily Dickinson&#39;s poem about the death of Elizabeth Barrett Browning. We discuss Dickinson&#39;s innovative syntax, her use of deep pauses, and her meditations on death and grief that create surprising effects in this short lyric.</p>

<p><strong>I went to thank Her</strong></p>

<p>I went to thank Her—<br>
But She Slept—<br>
Her Bed—a funneled Stone—<br>
With Nosegays at the Head and Foot—<br>
That Travellers—had thrown—</p>

<p>Who went to thank Her—<br>
But She Slept—<br>
&#39;Twas Short—to cross the Sea—<br>
To look upon Her like—alive—<br>
But turning back—&#39;twas slow—</p>]]>
  </content:encoded>
  <itunes:summary>
    <![CDATA[<p>In this episode, we read and discuss Emily Dickinson&#39;s poem about the death of Elizabeth Barrett Browning. We discuss Dickinson&#39;s innovative syntax, her use of deep pauses, and her meditations on death and grief that create surprising effects in this short lyric.</p>

<p><strong>I went to thank Her</strong></p>

<p>I went to thank Her—<br>
But She Slept—<br>
Her Bed—a funneled Stone—<br>
With Nosegays at the Head and Foot—<br>
That Travellers—had thrown—</p>

<p>Who went to thank Her—<br>
But She Slept—<br>
&#39;Twas Short—to cross the Sea—<br>
To look upon Her like—alive—<br>
But turning back—&#39;twas slow—</p>]]>
  </itunes:summary>
</item>
<item>
  <title>Episode 77: Jennifer Grotz, The Conversion of Paul</title>
  <link>https://poetryforall.fireside.fm/77</link>
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  <pubDate>Thu, 05 Sep 2024 09:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
  <author>Joanne Diaz and Abram Van Engen</author>
  <enclosure url="https://aphid.fireside.fm/d/1437767933/d55a3bfc-6538-4214-882b-a389e71b4bf6/9db668dd-1839-4665-90b6-0ddd86b48e87.mp3" length="20732074" type="audio/mpeg"/>
  <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
  <itunes:season>6</itunes:season>
  <itunes:author>Joanne Diaz and Abram Van Engen</itunes:author>
  <itunes:subtitle>Poetry engages in conversation. Today, we explore a long, beautiful, narrative poem weaving together the work of fellow poets while looking carefully at a Caravaggio painting, all reflecting on illness, death, and friendship.</itunes:subtitle>
  <itunes:duration>26:14</itunes:duration>
  <itunes:explicit>no</itunes:explicit>
  <itunes:image href="https://media24.fireside.fm/file/fireside-images-2024/podcasts/images/d/d55a3bfc-6538-4214-882b-a389e71b4bf6/episodes/9/9db668dd-1839-4665-90b6-0ddd86b48e87/cover.jpg?v=1"/>
  <description>Poetry engages in conversation. Today, we explore a long, beautiful, narrative poem weaving together the work of fellow poets while looking carefully at a Caravaggio painting, all reflecting on illness, death, and friendship.
For the poem, see here: https://www.nereview.com/vol-40-no-1-2019/the-conversion-of-paul/
For Grotz's incredible book, Still Falling, see Graywolf  (https://www.graywolfpress.org/books/still-falling)Press here: https://www.graywolfpress.org/books/still-falling
“Still Falling is an undeniably gorgeous book of love poems full of grief. In these pages, Jennifer Grotz writes line after line of direct statement in rhythms that would leave any reader breathless and wanting more. . . . I am in awe of Grotz’s power to grow and transform book after book. I cannot read Still Falling without crying.”—Jericho Brown
For the Caravaggio painting, The Conversion on the Way to Damascus (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conversion_on_the_Way_to_Damascus), see here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ConversionontheWayto_Damascus 
For more episodes on ekphrasis, please see our website and keywords here:
https://poetryforallpod.com/episodes/
Thanks to Graywolf Press for permission to read this poem on the podcast. Jennifer Grotz's "The Conversation of Paul" was published in her collection titled Still Falling (Graywolf, 2023). 
</description>
  <itunes:keywords>21st century, free verse, narrative, ekphrasis, Christianity, body in pain, friendship, grief and loss</itunes:keywords>
  <content:encoded>
    <![CDATA[<p>Poetry engages in conversation. Today, we explore a long, beautiful, narrative poem weaving together the work of fellow poets while looking carefully at a Caravaggio painting, all reflecting on illness, death, and friendship.</p>

<p>For the poem, see here: <a href="https://www.nereview.com/vol-40-no-1-2019/the-conversion-of-paul/" rel="nofollow">https://www.nereview.com/vol-40-no-1-2019/the-conversion-of-paul/</a></p>

<p>For Grotz&#39;s incredible book, Still Falling, see <a href="https://www.graywolfpress.org/books/still-falling" rel="nofollow">Graywolf </a>Press here: <a href="https://www.graywolfpress.org/books/still-falling" rel="nofollow">https://www.graywolfpress.org/books/still-falling</a></p>

<p>“Still Falling is an undeniably gorgeous book of love poems full of grief. In these pages, Jennifer Grotz writes line after line of direct statement in rhythms that would leave any reader breathless and wanting more. . . . I am in awe of Grotz’s power to grow and transform book after book. I cannot read Still Falling without crying.”—Jericho Brown</p>

<p>For the Caravaggio painting, <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conversion_on_the_Way_to_Damascus" rel="nofollow">The Conversion on the Way to Damascus</a>, see here: <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conversion_on_the_Way_to_Damascus" rel="nofollow">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conversion_on_the_Way_to_Damascus</a> </p>

<p>For more episodes on ekphrasis, please see our website and keywords here:<br>
<a href="https://poetryforallpod.com/episodes/" rel="nofollow">https://poetryforallpod.com/episodes/</a></p>

<p>Thanks to Graywolf Press for permission to read this poem on the podcast. Jennifer Grotz&#39;s &quot;The Conversation of Paul&quot; was published in her collection titled <em>Still Falling</em> (Graywolf, 2023). </p>]]>
  </content:encoded>
  <itunes:summary>
    <![CDATA[<p>Poetry engages in conversation. Today, we explore a long, beautiful, narrative poem weaving together the work of fellow poets while looking carefully at a Caravaggio painting, all reflecting on illness, death, and friendship.</p>

<p>For the poem, see here: <a href="https://www.nereview.com/vol-40-no-1-2019/the-conversion-of-paul/" rel="nofollow">https://www.nereview.com/vol-40-no-1-2019/the-conversion-of-paul/</a></p>

<p>For Grotz&#39;s incredible book, Still Falling, see <a href="https://www.graywolfpress.org/books/still-falling" rel="nofollow">Graywolf </a>Press here: <a href="https://www.graywolfpress.org/books/still-falling" rel="nofollow">https://www.graywolfpress.org/books/still-falling</a></p>

<p>“Still Falling is an undeniably gorgeous book of love poems full of grief. In these pages, Jennifer Grotz writes line after line of direct statement in rhythms that would leave any reader breathless and wanting more. . . . I am in awe of Grotz’s power to grow and transform book after book. I cannot read Still Falling without crying.”—Jericho Brown</p>

<p>For the Caravaggio painting, <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conversion_on_the_Way_to_Damascus" rel="nofollow">The Conversion on the Way to Damascus</a>, see here: <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conversion_on_the_Way_to_Damascus" rel="nofollow">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conversion_on_the_Way_to_Damascus</a> </p>

<p>For more episodes on ekphrasis, please see our website and keywords here:<br>
<a href="https://poetryforallpod.com/episodes/" rel="nofollow">https://poetryforallpod.com/episodes/</a></p>

<p>Thanks to Graywolf Press for permission to read this poem on the podcast. Jennifer Grotz&#39;s &quot;The Conversation of Paul&quot; was published in her collection titled <em>Still Falling</em> (Graywolf, 2023). </p>]]>
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  <title>Episode 74: Diane Seuss, [The sonnet, like poverty]</title>
  <link>https://poetryforall.fireside.fm/74</link>
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  <pubDate>Fri, 26 Jul 2024 12:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
  <author>Joanne Diaz and Abram Van Engen</author>
  <enclosure url="https://aphid.fireside.fm/d/1437767933/d55a3bfc-6538-4214-882b-a389e71b4bf6/e3804c86-d429-4836-b0b9-43424ca325a4.mp3" length="19707213" type="audio/mpeg"/>
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  <itunes:season>6</itunes:season>
  <itunes:author>Joanne Diaz and Abram Van Engen</itunes:author>
  <itunes:subtitle>This remarkable sonnet dives into issues of poverty, poetry, and grief. We talk about the pedagogy of constraint, while exploring the achievements, including the hardbitten gratitude, embedded in this poem.</itunes:subtitle>
  <itunes:duration>24:22</itunes:duration>
  <itunes:explicit>no</itunes:explicit>
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  <description>This remarkable sonnet dives into issues of poverty, poetry, and grief. We talk about the pedagogy of constraint, while exploring the achievements, including the hardbitten gratitude, embedded in this poem.
Thank you to Graywolf Press for permission to read and discuss the poem. Diane Seuss's "[The sonnet, like poverty, teaches you what you can do]" was published in her collection titled frank: sonnets (Graywolf, 2021). 
See the work (and buy it!) here: https://www.graywolfpress.org/books/frank-sonnets
For more on Diane Seuss, see here: https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/diane-seuss
For more on the Sealey Challenge, see here: https://www.thesealeychallenge.com/ 
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  <itunes:keywords>21st century, sonnet, ars poetica, elegy, Labor Day, repetition or refrain, laborers, gratitude, grief and loss</itunes:keywords>
  <content:encoded>
    <![CDATA[<p>This remarkable sonnet dives into issues of poverty, poetry, and grief. We talk about the pedagogy of constraint, while exploring the achievements, including the hardbitten gratitude, embedded in this poem.</p>

<p>Thank you to Graywolf Press for permission to read and discuss the poem. Diane Seuss&#39;s &quot;[The sonnet, like poverty, teaches you what you can do]&quot; was published in her collection titled <em>frank: sonnets</em> (Graywolf, 2021). </p>

<p>See the work (and buy it!) here: <a href="https://www.graywolfpress.org/books/frank-sonnets" rel="nofollow">https://www.graywolfpress.org/books/frank-sonnets</a></p>

<p>For more on Diane Seuss, see here: <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/diane-seuss" rel="nofollow">https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/diane-seuss</a></p>

<p>For more on the Sealey Challenge, see here: <a href="https://www.thesealeychallenge.com/" rel="nofollow">https://www.thesealeychallenge.com/</a></p>]]>
  </content:encoded>
  <itunes:summary>
    <![CDATA[<p>This remarkable sonnet dives into issues of poverty, poetry, and grief. We talk about the pedagogy of constraint, while exploring the achievements, including the hardbitten gratitude, embedded in this poem.</p>

<p>Thank you to Graywolf Press for permission to read and discuss the poem. Diane Seuss&#39;s &quot;[The sonnet, like poverty, teaches you what you can do]&quot; was published in her collection titled <em>frank: sonnets</em> (Graywolf, 2021). </p>

<p>See the work (and buy it!) here: <a href="https://www.graywolfpress.org/books/frank-sonnets" rel="nofollow">https://www.graywolfpress.org/books/frank-sonnets</a></p>

<p>For more on Diane Seuss, see here: <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/diane-seuss" rel="nofollow">https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/diane-seuss</a></p>

<p>For more on the Sealey Challenge, see here: <a href="https://www.thesealeychallenge.com/" rel="nofollow">https://www.thesealeychallenge.com/</a></p>]]>
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  <title>Episode 72: Victoria Chang, My Mother--died unpeacefully...</title>
  <link>https://poetryforall.fireside.fm/72</link>
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  <pubDate>Wed, 22 May 2024 08:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
  <author>Joanne Diaz and Abram Van Engen</author>
  <enclosure url="https://aphid.fireside.fm/d/1437767933/d55a3bfc-6538-4214-882b-a389e71b4bf6/fe94c038-1df3-40e1-8f41-ad3a9eca9db4.mp3" length="19069241" type="audio/mpeg"/>
  <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
  <itunes:season>6</itunes:season>
  <itunes:author>Joanne Diaz and Abram Van Engen</itunes:author>
  <itunes:subtitle>In this episode, we read one of Victoria Chang’s moving poems from her collection OBIT, and discuss how the poem explores the interplay between life, death, grieving, and memory as the poet tries to process her mother’s passing.

</itunes:subtitle>
  <itunes:duration>20:01</itunes:duration>
  <itunes:explicit>no</itunes:explicit>
  <itunes:image href="https://media24.fireside.fm/file/fireside-images-2024/podcasts/images/d/d55a3bfc-6538-4214-882b-a389e71b4bf6/episodes/f/fe94c038-1df3-40e1-8f41-ad3a9eca9db4/cover.jpg?v=1"/>
  <description>In this episode, we read one of Victoria Chang’s moving poems from her collection OBIT, and discuss how the poem explores the interplay between life, death, grieving, and memory as the poet tries to process her mother’s passing.
Thanks to Copper Canyon Press (https://www.coppercanyonpress.org/) for granting us permission to read this poem, which was originally published in OBIT. 
Victoria’s newest collection of poems, With My Back to the World, (https://us.macmillan.com/books/9780374611132/withmybacktotheworld)was inspired by the work of Agnes Martin and published earlier this year.
To learn more about Victoria Chang, visit her website (https://victoriachangpoet.com/).
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  <itunes:keywords>21st century, free verse, elegy, Asian American, aging, grief and loss</itunes:keywords>
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    <![CDATA[<p>In this episode, we read one of Victoria Chang’s moving poems from her collection <em>OBIT</em>, and discuss how the poem explores the interplay between life, death, grieving, and memory as the poet tries to process her mother’s passing.</p>

<p>Thanks to <a href="https://www.coppercanyonpress.org/" rel="nofollow">Copper Canyon Press</a> for granting us permission to read this poem, which was originally published in <em>OBIT</em>. </p>

<p>Victoria’s newest collection of poems, <a href="https://us.macmillan.com/books/9780374611132/withmybacktotheworld" rel="nofollow"><em>With My Back to the World,</em></a>was inspired by the work of Agnes Martin and published earlier this year.</p>

<p>To learn more about Victoria Chang, visit her <a href="https://victoriachangpoet.com/" rel="nofollow">website</a>.</p>]]>
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  <itunes:summary>
    <![CDATA[<p>In this episode, we read one of Victoria Chang’s moving poems from her collection <em>OBIT</em>, and discuss how the poem explores the interplay between life, death, grieving, and memory as the poet tries to process her mother’s passing.</p>

<p>Thanks to <a href="https://www.coppercanyonpress.org/" rel="nofollow">Copper Canyon Press</a> for granting us permission to read this poem, which was originally published in <em>OBIT</em>. </p>

<p>Victoria’s newest collection of poems, <a href="https://us.macmillan.com/books/9780374611132/withmybacktotheworld" rel="nofollow"><em>With My Back to the World,</em></a>was inspired by the work of Agnes Martin and published earlier this year.</p>

<p>To learn more about Victoria Chang, visit her <a href="https://victoriachangpoet.com/" rel="nofollow">website</a>.</p>]]>
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  <title>Episode 66: Katy Didden, The Priest Questions the Lava</title>
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  <pubDate>Tue, 21 Nov 2023 18:00:00 -0500</pubDate>
  <author>Joanne Diaz and Abram Van Engen</author>
  <enclosure url="https://aphid.fireside.fm/d/1437767933/d55a3bfc-6538-4214-882b-a389e71b4bf6/f3cf6207-001e-480e-a530-3410199cd570.mp3" length="19396089" type="audio/mpeg"/>
  <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
  <itunes:season>6</itunes:season>
  <itunes:author>Joanne Diaz and Abram Van Engen</itunes:author>
  <itunes:subtitle>In our discussion of "The Priest Questions the Lava," Katy describes her interest in the sentience of the natural world, her erasure of documentary texts, her interest in visual poetry, and the importance of poems that examine ethical and spiritual questions in an era of climate change. </itunes:subtitle>
  <itunes:duration>26:10</itunes:duration>
  <itunes:explicit>no</itunes:explicit>
  <itunes:image href="https://media24.fireside.fm/file/fireside-images-2024/podcasts/images/d/d55a3bfc-6538-4214-882b-a389e71b4bf6/episodes/f/f3cf6207-001e-480e-a530-3410199cd570/cover.jpg?v=1"/>
  <description>In our discussion of "The Priest Questions the Lava," Katy describes the sentience of the natural world, her erasure of documentary texts, her interest in visual poetry, and the importance of poems that examine ethical and spiritual questions in an era of climate change. 
To see Katy's erasure, click on the Academy of American Poets Poem-a-Day feature (https://poets.org/poem/ore-choir-priest-questions-lava).
Visit the Tupelo Press website to purchase a copy of Ore Choir: The Lava on Iceland (https://www.tupelopress.org/product/ore-choir-the-lava-on-iceland/).
The website includes a lesson plan for those who might want to introduce Katy's poetry into the classroom.
</description>
  <itunes:keywords>21st century, christianity, climate change, erasure, grief and loss, guest on the show, nature poetry, spirituality, visual poetry, word and image</itunes:keywords>
  <content:encoded>
    <![CDATA[<p>In our discussion of &quot;The Priest Questions the Lava,&quot; Katy describes the sentience of the natural world, her erasure of documentary texts, her interest in visual poetry, and the importance of poems that examine ethical and spiritual questions in an era of climate change. </p>

<p>To see Katy&#39;s erasure, click on the <a href="https://poets.org/poem/ore-choir-priest-questions-lava" rel="nofollow">Academy of American Poets Poem-a-Day feature</a>.</p>

<p>Visit the Tupelo Press website to purchase a copy of <em><a href="https://www.tupelopress.org/product/ore-choir-the-lava-on-iceland/" rel="nofollow">Ore Choir: The Lava on Iceland</a>.</em></p>

<p>The website includes a lesson plan for those who might want to introduce Katy&#39;s poetry into the classroom.</p>]]>
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  <itunes:summary>
    <![CDATA[<p>In our discussion of &quot;The Priest Questions the Lava,&quot; Katy describes the sentience of the natural world, her erasure of documentary texts, her interest in visual poetry, and the importance of poems that examine ethical and spiritual questions in an era of climate change. </p>

<p>To see Katy&#39;s erasure, click on the <a href="https://poets.org/poem/ore-choir-priest-questions-lava" rel="nofollow">Academy of American Poets Poem-a-Day feature</a>.</p>

<p>Visit the Tupelo Press website to purchase a copy of <em><a href="https://www.tupelopress.org/product/ore-choir-the-lava-on-iceland/" rel="nofollow">Ore Choir: The Lava on Iceland</a>.</em></p>

<p>The website includes a lesson plan for those who might want to introduce Katy&#39;s poetry into the classroom.</p>]]>
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  <title>Episode 65: Du Fu, Facing Snow</title>
  <link>https://poetryforall.fireside.fm/65</link>
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  <pubDate>Thu, 19 Oct 2023 09:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
  <author>Joanne Diaz and Abram Van Engen</author>
  <enclosure url="https://aphid.fireside.fm/d/1437767933/d55a3bfc-6538-4214-882b-a389e71b4bf6/7a2a1e0b-af48-4faf-afca-6988fbf89805.mp3" length="19482350" type="audio/mpeg"/>
  <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
  <itunes:season>6</itunes:season>
  <itunes:author>Joanne Diaz and Abram Van Engen</itunes:author>
  <itunes:subtitle>In this episode, Lucas Bender guides us through his translation of Du Fu's "Facing Snow," one of the most famous poems in the Chinese language. </itunes:subtitle>
  <itunes:duration>23:57</itunes:duration>
  <itunes:explicit>no</itunes:explicit>
  <itunes:image href="https://media24.fireside.fm/file/fireside-images-2024/podcasts/images/d/d55a3bfc-6538-4214-882b-a389e71b4bf6/episodes/7/7a2a1e0b-af48-4faf-afca-6988fbf89805/cover.jpg?v=2"/>
  <description>In this episode, Lucas Bender guides us through his translation of Du Fu's "Facing Snow," one of the most famous poems in the Chinese language. 
To learn more about Du Fu's life, work, and cultural significance, please see Lucas Bender's Du Fu Transforms: Tradition and Ethics amid Societal Collapse (Harvard University Press, 2021).  (https://www.hup.harvard.edu/catalog.php?isbn=9780674260177) 
</description>
  <itunes:keywords>8th century, grief and loss, guest on the show, poetry in translation, rhymed verse, world poetry</itunes:keywords>
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    <![CDATA[<p>In this episode, Lucas Bender guides us through his translation of Du Fu&#39;s &quot;Facing Snow,&quot; one of the most famous poems in the Chinese language. </p>

<p>To learn more about Du Fu&#39;s life, work, and cultural significance, please see Lucas Bender&#39;s <a href="https://www.hup.harvard.edu/catalog.php?isbn=9780674260177" rel="nofollow">Du Fu Transforms: Tradition and Ethics amid Societal Collapse (Harvard University Press, 2021). </a></p>]]>
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  <itunes:summary>
    <![CDATA[<p>In this episode, Lucas Bender guides us through his translation of Du Fu&#39;s &quot;Facing Snow,&quot; one of the most famous poems in the Chinese language. </p>

<p>To learn more about Du Fu&#39;s life, work, and cultural significance, please see Lucas Bender&#39;s <a href="https://www.hup.harvard.edu/catalog.php?isbn=9780674260177" rel="nofollow">Du Fu Transforms: Tradition and Ethics amid Societal Collapse (Harvard University Press, 2021). </a></p>]]>
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  <title>Episode 59: Tichborne's Elegy</title>
  <link>https://poetryforall.fireside.fm/59</link>
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  <pubDate>Fri, 07 Apr 2023 12:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
  <author>Joanne Diaz and Abram Van Engen</author>
  <enclosure url="https://aphid.fireside.fm/d/1437767933/d55a3bfc-6538-4214-882b-a389e71b4bf6/442654c6-7489-4c2f-b4a4-5f5935bd04f2.mp3" length="17253387" type="audio/mpeg"/>
  <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
  <itunes:season>5</itunes:season>
  <itunes:author>Joanne Diaz and Abram Van Engen</itunes:author>
  <itunes:subtitle>In this episode, we read the elegy of Chidiock Tichborne, written the night before his execution, and contemplate the power of repetitions, the balanced precision of a man facing his end, and the drumbeat of monosyllables that takes his imagination beyond the moment of his death.</itunes:subtitle>
  <itunes:duration>21:25</itunes:duration>
  <itunes:explicit>no</itunes:explicit>
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  <description>In this episode, we read the elegy of Chidiock Tichborne, written the night before his execution, and contemplate the power of repetitions, the balanced precision of a man facing his end, and the drumbeat of monosyllables that takes his imagination beyond the moment of his death.
Tichborne's Elegy
My feast of joy is but a dish of pain,
My crop of corn is but a field of tares,
And all my good is but vain hope of gain:
The day is past, and yet I saw no sun,
And now I live, and now my life is done.
The spring is past, and yet it hath not sprung,
My fruit is fallen, and yet my leaves are green,
The spring is past, and yet it hath not sprung,
I saw the world, and yet I was not seen:
My thread is cut, and yet it is not spun,
And now I live, and now my life is done.
I sought my death, and found it in my womb,
I looked for life, and saw it was a shade,
I trod the earth, and knew it was my tomb,
And now I die, and now I was but made;
The glass is full, and now the glass is run,
And now I live, and now my life is done.
For more on Tichborne, see The Poetry Foundation: https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/chidiock-tichborne
See also all the related content at The Poetry Foundation 
</description>
  <itunes:keywords>16th century, christianity, elegy, grief and loss, repetition or refrain, rhymed verse</itunes:keywords>
  <content:encoded>
    <![CDATA[<p>In this episode, we read the elegy of Chidiock Tichborne, written the night before his execution, and contemplate the power of repetitions, the balanced precision of a man facing his end, and the drumbeat of monosyllables that takes his imagination beyond the moment of his death.</p>

<p><strong>Tichborne&#39;s Elegy</strong></p>

<p>My feast of joy is but a dish of pain,<br>
My crop of corn is but a field of tares,<br>
And all my good is but vain hope of gain:<br>
The day is past, and yet I saw no sun,<br>
And now I live, and now my life is done.</p>

<p>The spring is past, and yet it hath not sprung,<br>
My fruit is fallen, and yet my leaves are green,<br>
The spring is past, and yet it hath not sprung,<br>
I saw the world, and yet I was not seen:<br>
My thread is cut, and yet it is not spun,<br>
And now I live, and now my life is done.</p>

<p>I sought my death, and found it in my womb,<br>
I looked for life, and saw it was a shade,<br>
I trod the earth, and knew it was my tomb,<br>
And now I die, and now I was but made;<br>
The glass is full, and now the glass is run,<br>
And now I live, and now my life is done.</p>

<p>For more on Tichborne, see The Poetry Foundation: <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/chidiock-tichborne" rel="nofollow">https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/chidiock-tichborne</a></p>

<p>See also all the related content at The Poetry Foundation</p>]]>
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  <itunes:summary>
    <![CDATA[<p>In this episode, we read the elegy of Chidiock Tichborne, written the night before his execution, and contemplate the power of repetitions, the balanced precision of a man facing his end, and the drumbeat of monosyllables that takes his imagination beyond the moment of his death.</p>

<p><strong>Tichborne&#39;s Elegy</strong></p>

<p>My feast of joy is but a dish of pain,<br>
My crop of corn is but a field of tares,<br>
And all my good is but vain hope of gain:<br>
The day is past, and yet I saw no sun,<br>
And now I live, and now my life is done.</p>

<p>The spring is past, and yet it hath not sprung,<br>
My fruit is fallen, and yet my leaves are green,<br>
The spring is past, and yet it hath not sprung,<br>
I saw the world, and yet I was not seen:<br>
My thread is cut, and yet it is not spun,<br>
And now I live, and now my life is done.</p>

<p>I sought my death, and found it in my womb,<br>
I looked for life, and saw it was a shade,<br>
I trod the earth, and knew it was my tomb,<br>
And now I die, and now I was but made;<br>
The glass is full, and now the glass is run,<br>
And now I live, and now my life is done.</p>

<p>For more on Tichborne, see The Poetry Foundation: <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/chidiock-tichborne" rel="nofollow">https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/chidiock-tichborne</a></p>

<p>See also all the related content at The Poetry Foundation</p>]]>
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  <title>Episode 49: Lisel Mueller, When I am Asked</title>
  <link>https://poetryforall.fireside.fm/49</link>
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  <pubDate>Mon, 12 Sep 2022 12:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
  <author>Joanne Diaz and Abram Van Engen</author>
  <enclosure url="https://aphid.fireside.fm/d/1437767933/d55a3bfc-6538-4214-882b-a389e71b4bf6/0804192b-db4a-4576-ac09-113567690760.mp3" length="16116082" type="audio/mpeg"/>
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  <itunes:season>5</itunes:season>
  <itunes:author>Joanne Diaz and Abram Van Engen</itunes:author>
  <itunes:subtitle>In this episode, we closely read Lisel Mueller's "When I am Asked" in order to better understand grief as a deep source of artistic expression. </itunes:subtitle>
  <itunes:duration>19:57</itunes:duration>
  <itunes:explicit>no</itunes:explicit>
  <itunes:image href="https://media24.fireside.fm/file/fireside-images-2024/podcasts/images/d/d55a3bfc-6538-4214-882b-a389e71b4bf6/episodes/0/0804192b-db4a-4576-ac09-113567690760/cover.jpg?v=1"/>
  <description>In this episode, we closely read Lisel Mueller's "When I am Asked" in order to better understand grief as a deep source of artistic expression. We look at language as a source of connection and hope, even in the midst of sorrow and solitude. With this poem about the making of poetry (an_ ars poetica_), we come to see how one artist turned to the intricacies of language in the face of a nature that seemed indifferent to her loss.
"When I Am Asked" appears in Alive Together: New and Selected Poems, published by Louisiana State University Press (1996). Thanks to LSU Press for granting us permission to read this poem on the podcast.
For the text of the poem, click here: "When I Am Asked (https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poetrymagazine/poems/36931/when-i-am-asked)"
Note: When out of copyright, we reproduce the text of the poem ourselves. When still in copyright, we link to the text of the poem elsewhere.
For more on Lisel Mueller (https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/lisel-mueller), see the Poetry Foundation. 
</description>
  <itunes:keywords>20th century, ars poetica, elegy, free verse, grief and loss, repetition or refrain</itunes:keywords>
  <content:encoded>
    <![CDATA[<p>In this episode, we closely read Lisel Mueller&#39;s &quot;When I am Asked&quot; in order to better understand grief as a deep source of artistic expression. We look at language as a source of connection and hope, even in the midst of sorrow and solitude. With this poem about the making of poetry (an_ ars poetica_), we come to see how one artist turned to the intricacies of language in the face of a nature that seemed indifferent to her loss.</p>

<p>&quot;When I Am Asked&quot; appears in <em>Alive Together: New and Selected Poems</em>, published by Louisiana State University Press (1996). Thanks to LSU Press for granting us permission to read this poem on the podcast.</p>

<p>For the text of the poem, click here: &quot;<a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poetrymagazine/poems/36931/when-i-am-asked" rel="nofollow">When I Am Asked</a>&quot;</p>

<p><em>Note: When out of copyright, we reproduce the text of the poem ourselves. When still in copyright, we link to the text of the poem elsewhere.</em></p>

<p>For more on <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/lisel-mueller" rel="nofollow">Lisel Mueller</a>, see the Poetry Foundation.</p>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<p>In this episode, we closely read Lisel Mueller&#39;s &quot;When I am Asked&quot; in order to better understand grief as a deep source of artistic expression. We look at language as a source of connection and hope, even in the midst of sorrow and solitude. With this poem about the making of poetry (an_ ars poetica_), we come to see how one artist turned to the intricacies of language in the face of a nature that seemed indifferent to her loss.</p>

<p>&quot;When I Am Asked&quot; appears in <em>Alive Together: New and Selected Poems</em>, published by Louisiana State University Press (1996). Thanks to LSU Press for granting us permission to read this poem on the podcast.</p>

<p>For the text of the poem, click here: &quot;<a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poetrymagazine/poems/36931/when-i-am-asked" rel="nofollow">When I Am Asked</a>&quot;</p>

<p><em>Note: When out of copyright, we reproduce the text of the poem ourselves. When still in copyright, we link to the text of the poem elsewhere.</em></p>

<p>For more on <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/lisel-mueller" rel="nofollow">Lisel Mueller</a>, see the Poetry Foundation.</p>]]>
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  <title>Episode 48: Joy Harjo, An American Sunrise</title>
  <link>https://poetryforall.fireside.fm/48</link>
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  <pubDate>Thu, 28 Apr 2022 12:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
  <author>Joanne Diaz and Abram Van Engen</author>
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  <itunes:season>4</itunes:season>
  <itunes:author>Joanne Diaz and Abram Van Engen</itunes:author>
  <itunes:subtitle>In this episode, we examine The Golden Shovel form and discuss the idea of "survivance" through the work of Muscogee (Creek) poet Joy Harjo, the 23rd Poet Laureate of the United States.</itunes:subtitle>
  <itunes:duration>21:47</itunes:duration>
  <itunes:explicit>no</itunes:explicit>
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  <description>In this episode, we examine The Golden Shovel form and discuss the idea of "survivance" through the work of Muscogee (Creek) poet Joy Harjo, the 23rd Poet Laureate of the United States.
You can find the text of "An American Sunrise" here (https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poetrymagazine/poems/92063/an-american-sunrise), though this is an earlier version of the poem. The final version appears in her finished book of the same title, which you can find here (https://www.joyharjo.com/book/an-american-sunrise).
For an introduction to The Golden Shovel form, see here (https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poetrymagazine/articles/92023/introduction-586e948ad9af8).
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  <itunes:keywords>21st century, anger, golden shovel, grief and loss, hope, joy, native american heritage month, poet laureate, social justice and advocacy, spirituality</itunes:keywords>
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    <![CDATA[<p>In this episode, we examine The Golden Shovel form and discuss the idea of &quot;survivance&quot; through the work of Muscogee (Creek) poet Joy Harjo, the 23rd Poet Laureate of the United States.</p>

<p>You can find the text of &quot;An American Sunrise&quot; <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poetrymagazine/poems/92063/an-american-sunrise" rel="nofollow">here</a>, though this is an earlier version of the poem. The final version appears in her finished book of the same title, which you can find <a href="https://www.joyharjo.com/book/an-american-sunrise" rel="nofollow">here</a>.</p>

<p>For an introduction to The Golden Shovel form, see <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poetrymagazine/articles/92023/introduction-586e948ad9af8" rel="nofollow">here</a>.</p><p>Links:</p><ul><li><a title="Joy Harjo Official Site - Joy Harjo" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.joyharjo.com/">Joy Harjo Official Site - Joy Harjo</a></li><li><a title="An American Sunrise by Joy Harjo | Poetry Magazine" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poetrymagazine/poems/92063/an-american-sunrise">An American Sunrise by Joy Harjo | Poetry Magazine</a></li><li><a title="An American Sunrise - Joy Harjo" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.joyharjo.com/book/an-american-sunrise">An American Sunrise - Joy Harjo</a></li><li><a title="Introduction: The Golden Shovel by Don Share | Poetry Magazine" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poetrymagazine/articles/92023/introduction-586e948ad9af8">Introduction: The Golden Shovel by Don Share | Poetry Magazine</a></li></ul>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<p>In this episode, we examine The Golden Shovel form and discuss the idea of &quot;survivance&quot; through the work of Muscogee (Creek) poet Joy Harjo, the 23rd Poet Laureate of the United States.</p>

<p>You can find the text of &quot;An American Sunrise&quot; <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poetrymagazine/poems/92063/an-american-sunrise" rel="nofollow">here</a>, though this is an earlier version of the poem. The final version appears in her finished book of the same title, which you can find <a href="https://www.joyharjo.com/book/an-american-sunrise" rel="nofollow">here</a>.</p>

<p>For an introduction to The Golden Shovel form, see <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poetrymagazine/articles/92023/introduction-586e948ad9af8" rel="nofollow">here</a>.</p><p>Links:</p><ul><li><a title="Joy Harjo Official Site - Joy Harjo" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.joyharjo.com/">Joy Harjo Official Site - Joy Harjo</a></li><li><a title="An American Sunrise by Joy Harjo | Poetry Magazine" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poetrymagazine/poems/92063/an-american-sunrise">An American Sunrise by Joy Harjo | Poetry Magazine</a></li><li><a title="An American Sunrise - Joy Harjo" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.joyharjo.com/book/an-american-sunrise">An American Sunrise - Joy Harjo</a></li><li><a title="Introduction: The Golden Shovel by Don Share | Poetry Magazine" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poetrymagazine/articles/92023/introduction-586e948ad9af8">Introduction: The Golden Shovel by Don Share | Poetry Magazine</a></li></ul>]]>
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  <title>Episode 45: Ben Jonson, On My First Son</title>
  <link>https://poetryforall.fireside.fm/45</link>
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  <pubDate>Wed, 23 Mar 2022 13:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
  <author>Joanne Diaz and Abram Van Engen</author>
  <enclosure url="https://aphid.fireside.fm/d/1437767933/d55a3bfc-6538-4214-882b-a389e71b4bf6/17d09639-6627-43d2-8d4c-4213262de74e.mp3" length="15859533" type="audio/mpeg"/>
  <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
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  <itunes:author>Joanne Diaz and Abram Van Engen</itunes:author>
  <itunes:subtitle>In this episode, we look at Ben Jonson's elegy for his son who died of the plague at the age of 7. This poem is so brief, and yet, it manages to cross a lot of emotional terrain as Jonson struggles to understand the profundity of his loss. </itunes:subtitle>
  <itunes:duration>21:18</itunes:duration>
  <itunes:explicit>no</itunes:explicit>
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  <description>In this episode, we look at Ben Jonson's elegy for his son who died of the plague at the age of 7. This poem is so brief, and yet, it manages to cross a lot of emotional terrain as Jonson struggles to understand the profundity of his loss. 
Here is the poem:
On my First Son
Farewell, thou child of my right hand, and joy;
My sin was too much hope of thee, lov'd boy.
Seven years tho' wert lent to me, and I thee pay,
Exacted by thy fate, on the just day.
O, could I lose all father now! For why
Will man lament the state he should envy?
To have so soon 'scap'd world's and flesh's rage,
And if no other misery, yet age?
Rest in soft peace, and, ask'd, say, "Here doth lie
Ben Jonson his best piece of poetry."
For whose sake henceforth all his vows be such,
As what he loves may never like too much.
To learn more about the magnificent Ben Jonson, check this page (https://www.bl.uk/people/ben-jonson) on the British Library website.
To learn more about couplets, epigrams, elegies, and apostrophes, click this page (https://poets.org/glossary) on the Academy of American Poets website.
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  <itunes:keywords>17th century, children, christianity, elegy, grief and loss, loneliness, rhymed verse</itunes:keywords>
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    <![CDATA[<p>In this episode, we look at Ben Jonson&#39;s elegy for his son who died of the plague at the age of 7. This poem is so brief, and yet, it manages to cross a lot of emotional terrain as Jonson struggles to understand the profundity of his loss. </p>

<p>Here is the poem:</p>

<p><strong>On my First Son</strong></p>

<p>Farewell, thou child of my right hand, and joy;<br>
My sin was too much hope of thee, lov&#39;d boy.<br>
Seven years tho&#39; wert lent to me, and I thee pay,<br>
Exacted by thy fate, on the just day.<br>
O, could I lose all father now! For why<br>
Will man lament the state he should envy?<br>
To have so soon &#39;scap&#39;d world&#39;s and flesh&#39;s rage,<br>
And if no other misery, yet age?<br>
Rest in soft peace, and, ask&#39;d, say, &quot;Here doth lie<br>
Ben Jonson his best piece of poetry.&quot;<br>
For whose sake henceforth all his vows be such,<br>
As what he loves may never like too much.</p>

<p>To learn more about the magnificent Ben Jonson, check <a href="https://www.bl.uk/people/ben-jonson" rel="nofollow">this page</a> on the British Library website.</p>

<p>To learn more about couplets, epigrams, elegies, and apostrophes, click <a href="https://poets.org/glossary" rel="nofollow">this page</a> on the Academy of American Poets website.</p>]]>
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  <itunes:summary>
    <![CDATA[<p>In this episode, we look at Ben Jonson&#39;s elegy for his son who died of the plague at the age of 7. This poem is so brief, and yet, it manages to cross a lot of emotional terrain as Jonson struggles to understand the profundity of his loss. </p>

<p>Here is the poem:</p>

<p><strong>On my First Son</strong></p>

<p>Farewell, thou child of my right hand, and joy;<br>
My sin was too much hope of thee, lov&#39;d boy.<br>
Seven years tho&#39; wert lent to me, and I thee pay,<br>
Exacted by thy fate, on the just day.<br>
O, could I lose all father now! For why<br>
Will man lament the state he should envy?<br>
To have so soon &#39;scap&#39;d world&#39;s and flesh&#39;s rage,<br>
And if no other misery, yet age?<br>
Rest in soft peace, and, ask&#39;d, say, &quot;Here doth lie<br>
Ben Jonson his best piece of poetry.&quot;<br>
For whose sake henceforth all his vows be such,<br>
As what he loves may never like too much.</p>

<p>To learn more about the magnificent Ben Jonson, check <a href="https://www.bl.uk/people/ben-jonson" rel="nofollow">this page</a> on the British Library website.</p>

<p>To learn more about couplets, epigrams, elegies, and apostrophes, click <a href="https://poets.org/glossary" rel="nofollow">this page</a> on the Academy of American Poets website.</p>]]>
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  <title>Episode 44: Ann Hudson, Soap</title>
  <link>https://poetryforall.fireside.fm/44</link>
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  <pubDate>Wed, 16 Mar 2022 15:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
  <author>Joanne Diaz and Abram Van Engen</author>
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  <itunes:author>Joanne Diaz and Abram Van Engen</itunes:author>
  <itunes:subtitle>In this episode, Ann Hudson joins us to read her poem “Soap” and discuss how its narrative structure allows her to explore the history of science, technology, and our notions of progress and beauty, even when those notions do great harm to ordinary workers. </itunes:subtitle>
  <itunes:duration>23:19</itunes:duration>
  <itunes:explicit>no</itunes:explicit>
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  <description>In this episode, Ann Hudson joins us to read her poem “Soap” and discuss how its narrative structure allows her to explore the history of science, technology, and our notions of progress and beauty, even when those notions do great harm to ordinary workers. 
Ann is the author of two collections of poetry: The Armillary Sphere (https://www.ohioswallow.com/book/The+Armillary+Sphere), which was selected by Mary Kinzie as the winner of the Hollis Summers Poetry Prize and published by Ohio University Press; and Glow (https://nextpage-press.com/glow-by-ann-hudson.html), published by Next Page Press. Her poems have appeared in many literary journals, including Crab Orchard Review, North American Review, Orion, Prairie Schooner, and The Seattle Review. Ann is senior editor for RHINO.
To learn more about Ann's work, please visit her website (https://www.annhudson.net/index.html).
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  <itunes:keywords>21st century, body in pain, grief and loss, guest on the show, laborers, narrative, science and medicine, social justice and advocacy, women's history month</itunes:keywords>
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    <![CDATA[<p>In this episode, Ann Hudson joins us to read her poem “Soap” and discuss how its narrative structure allows her to explore the history of science, technology, and our notions of progress and beauty, even when those notions do great harm to ordinary workers. </p>

<p>Ann is the author of two collections of poetry: <a href="https://www.ohioswallow.com/book/The+Armillary+Sphere" rel="nofollow">The Armillary Sphere</a>, which was selected by Mary Kinzie as the winner of the Hollis Summers Poetry Prize and published by Ohio University Press; and <a href="https://nextpage-press.com/glow-by-ann-hudson.html" rel="nofollow">Glow</a>, published by Next Page Press. Her poems have appeared in many literary journals, including <em>Crab Orchard Review, North American Review, Orion, Prairie Schooner</em>, and <em>The Seattle Review</em>. Ann is senior editor for <em>RHINO</em>.</p>

<p>To learn more about Ann&#39;s work, please visit her <a href="https://www.annhudson.net/index.html" rel="nofollow">website</a>.</p>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<p>In this episode, Ann Hudson joins us to read her poem “Soap” and discuss how its narrative structure allows her to explore the history of science, technology, and our notions of progress and beauty, even when those notions do great harm to ordinary workers. </p>

<p>Ann is the author of two collections of poetry: <a href="https://www.ohioswallow.com/book/The+Armillary+Sphere" rel="nofollow">The Armillary Sphere</a>, which was selected by Mary Kinzie as the winner of the Hollis Summers Poetry Prize and published by Ohio University Press; and <a href="https://nextpage-press.com/glow-by-ann-hudson.html" rel="nofollow">Glow</a>, published by Next Page Press. Her poems have appeared in many literary journals, including <em>Crab Orchard Review, North American Review, Orion, Prairie Schooner</em>, and <em>The Seattle Review</em>. Ann is senior editor for <em>RHINO</em>.</p>

<p>To learn more about Ann&#39;s work, please visit her <a href="https://www.annhudson.net/index.html" rel="nofollow">website</a>.</p>]]>
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  <title>Episode 39: Paul Laurence Dunbar, We Wear The Mask</title>
  <link>https://poetryforall.fireside.fm/39</link>
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  <pubDate>Wed, 02 Feb 2022 15:00:00 -0500</pubDate>
  <author>Joanne Diaz and Abram Van Engen</author>
  <enclosure url="https://aphid.fireside.fm/d/1437767933/d55a3bfc-6538-4214-882b-a389e71b4bf6/548cde6e-728c-4640-984c-113502b8c988.mp3" length="18129561" type="audio/mpeg"/>
  <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
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  <itunes:author>Joanne Diaz and Abram Van Engen</itunes:author>
  <itunes:subtitle>This week, Rafia Zafar joins us to discuss "We Wear the Mask" by the great poet and writer Paul Laurence Dunbar (1872-1906). Rafia leads us in a discussion of Dunbar's fame and influence while opening up broader themes of African American history and literature.</itunes:subtitle>
  <itunes:duration>22:09</itunes:duration>
  <itunes:explicit>no</itunes:explicit>
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  <description>This week, Rafia Zafar joins us to discuss "We Wear the Mask" by the great poet and writer Paul Laurence Dunbar (1872-1906). Rafia leads us in a discussion of Dunbar's fame and influence while opening up broader themes of African American history and literature.
We Wear the Mask
BY PAUL LAURENCE DUNBAR
We wear the mask that grins and lies,
It hides our cheeks and shades our eyes,—
This debt we pay to human guile;
With torn and bleeding hearts we smile,
And mouth with myriad subtleties.
Why should the world be over-wise,
In counting all our tears and sighs?
Nay, let them only see us, while
       We wear the mask.
We smile, but, O great Christ, our cries
To thee from tortured souls arise.
We sing, but oh the clay is vile
Beneath our feet, and long the mile;
But let the world dream otherwise,
       We wear the mask!
For more on Paul Laurence Dunbar, visit The Poetry Foundation (https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/paul-laurence-dunbar).
For more on Rafia Zafar (https://sites.wustl.edu/zafar/), see her personal website at Washington University in St. Louis.
Youtube has a brief clip from the Library of America hosting Kevin Young's discussion of "We Wear the Mask." (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nr4ag5wXtho)
Elizabeth Alexander (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ezkBoPyCLA) also discusses this poem for the Library of America.
For more on the poetic form of the rondeau (https://poets.org/glossary/rondeau), see the Academy of American Poets. 
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  <itunes:keywords>19th century, anger, black history month, grief and loss, guest on the show, repetition or refrain, rhymed verse, rondeau, social justice and advocacy</itunes:keywords>
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    <![CDATA[<p>This week, Rafia Zafar joins us to discuss &quot;We Wear the Mask&quot; by the great poet and writer Paul Laurence Dunbar (1872-1906). Rafia leads us in a discussion of Dunbar&#39;s fame and influence while opening up broader themes of African American history and literature.</p>

<p><strong>We Wear the Mask</strong><br>
BY PAUL LAURENCE DUNBAR</p>

<p>We wear the mask that grins and lies,<br>
It hides our cheeks and shades our eyes,—<br>
This debt we pay to human guile;<br>
With torn and bleeding hearts we smile,<br>
And mouth with myriad subtleties.</p>

<p>Why should the world be over-wise,<br>
In counting all our tears and sighs?<br>
Nay, let them only see us, while<br>
       We wear the mask.</p>

<p>We smile, but, O great Christ, our cries<br>
To thee from tortured souls arise.<br>
We sing, but oh the clay is vile<br>
Beneath our feet, and long the mile;<br>
But let the world dream otherwise,<br>
       We wear the mask!</p>

<p>For more on Paul Laurence Dunbar, visit <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/paul-laurence-dunbar" rel="nofollow">The Poetry Foundation</a>.</p>

<p>For more on <a href="https://sites.wustl.edu/zafar/" rel="nofollow">Rafia Zafar</a>, see her personal website at Washington University in St. Louis.</p>

<p>Youtube has a brief clip from the Library of America hosting <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nr4ag5wXtho" rel="nofollow">Kevin Young&#39;s discussion of &quot;We Wear the Mask.&quot;</a></p>

<p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ezkBoPyCLA" rel="nofollow">Elizabeth Alexander</a> also discusses this poem for the Library of America.</p>

<p>For more on the poetic form of the <a href="https://poets.org/glossary/rondeau" rel="nofollow">rondeau</a>, see the Academy of American Poets.</p><p>Links:</p><ul><li><a title="Paul Laurence Dunbar | Poetry Foundation" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/paul-laurence-dunbar">Paul Laurence Dunbar | Poetry Foundation</a></li><li><a title="Rafia Zafar | Arts &amp; Sciences" rel="nofollow" href="https://artsci.wustl.edu/faculty-staff/rafia-zafar">Rafia Zafar | Arts &amp; Sciences</a></li><li><a title="Home | Rafia Zafar | Washington University in St. Louis" rel="nofollow" href="https://sites.wustl.edu/zafar/">Home | Rafia Zafar | Washington University in St. Louis</a></li><li><a title="Kevin Young Discusses &quot;We Wear the Mask&quot; by Paul Laurence Dunbar - YouTube" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nr4ag5wXtho">Kevin Young Discusses "We Wear the Mask" by Paul Laurence Dunbar - YouTube</a></li><li><a title="Elizabeth Alexander Comments on &quot;We Wear the Mask&quot; by Paul Laurence Dunbar - YouTube" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ezkBoPyCLA">Elizabeth Alexander Comments on "We Wear the Mask" by Paul Laurence Dunbar - YouTube</a></li><li><a title="Rondeau | Academy of American Poets" rel="nofollow" href="https://poets.org/glossary/rondeau">Rondeau | Academy of American Poets</a></li></ul>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<p>This week, Rafia Zafar joins us to discuss &quot;We Wear the Mask&quot; by the great poet and writer Paul Laurence Dunbar (1872-1906). Rafia leads us in a discussion of Dunbar&#39;s fame and influence while opening up broader themes of African American history and literature.</p>

<p><strong>We Wear the Mask</strong><br>
BY PAUL LAURENCE DUNBAR</p>

<p>We wear the mask that grins and lies,<br>
It hides our cheeks and shades our eyes,—<br>
This debt we pay to human guile;<br>
With torn and bleeding hearts we smile,<br>
And mouth with myriad subtleties.</p>

<p>Why should the world be over-wise,<br>
In counting all our tears and sighs?<br>
Nay, let them only see us, while<br>
       We wear the mask.</p>

<p>We smile, but, O great Christ, our cries<br>
To thee from tortured souls arise.<br>
We sing, but oh the clay is vile<br>
Beneath our feet, and long the mile;<br>
But let the world dream otherwise,<br>
       We wear the mask!</p>

<p>For more on Paul Laurence Dunbar, visit <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/paul-laurence-dunbar" rel="nofollow">The Poetry Foundation</a>.</p>

<p>For more on <a href="https://sites.wustl.edu/zafar/" rel="nofollow">Rafia Zafar</a>, see her personal website at Washington University in St. Louis.</p>

<p>Youtube has a brief clip from the Library of America hosting <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nr4ag5wXtho" rel="nofollow">Kevin Young&#39;s discussion of &quot;We Wear the Mask.&quot;</a></p>

<p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ezkBoPyCLA" rel="nofollow">Elizabeth Alexander</a> also discusses this poem for the Library of America.</p>

<p>For more on the poetic form of the <a href="https://poets.org/glossary/rondeau" rel="nofollow">rondeau</a>, see the Academy of American Poets.</p><p>Links:</p><ul><li><a title="Paul Laurence Dunbar | Poetry Foundation" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/paul-laurence-dunbar">Paul Laurence Dunbar | Poetry Foundation</a></li><li><a title="Rafia Zafar | Arts &amp; Sciences" rel="nofollow" href="https://artsci.wustl.edu/faculty-staff/rafia-zafar">Rafia Zafar | Arts &amp; Sciences</a></li><li><a title="Home | Rafia Zafar | Washington University in St. Louis" rel="nofollow" href="https://sites.wustl.edu/zafar/">Home | Rafia Zafar | Washington University in St. Louis</a></li><li><a title="Kevin Young Discusses &quot;We Wear the Mask&quot; by Paul Laurence Dunbar - YouTube" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nr4ag5wXtho">Kevin Young Discusses "We Wear the Mask" by Paul Laurence Dunbar - YouTube</a></li><li><a title="Elizabeth Alexander Comments on &quot;We Wear the Mask&quot; by Paul Laurence Dunbar - YouTube" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ezkBoPyCLA">Elizabeth Alexander Comments on "We Wear the Mask" by Paul Laurence Dunbar - YouTube</a></li><li><a title="Rondeau | Academy of American Poets" rel="nofollow" href="https://poets.org/glossary/rondeau">Rondeau | Academy of American Poets</a></li></ul>]]>
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  <title>Episode 38: Laura Van Prooyen, Elegy for My Mother's Mind</title>
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  <pubDate>Wed, 26 Jan 2022 16:00:00 -0500</pubDate>
  <author>Joanne Diaz and Abram Van Engen</author>
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  <itunes:subtitle>In this episode, our guest Laura Van Prooyen reads "Elegy for My Mother's Mind," a poem that navigates the complexities of memory, loss, and familial relationships. Laura's poem gives us an opportunity to think about the deep sources of poetic inspiration, the revision process, and the power of metaphor.</itunes:subtitle>
  <itunes:duration>29:16</itunes:duration>
  <itunes:explicit>no</itunes:explicit>
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  <description>In this episode, our guest Laura Van Prooyen reads "Elegy for My Mother's Mind," a poem that navigates the complexities of memory, loss, and familial relationships. Laura's poem gives us an opportunity to think about the deep sources of poetic inspiration, the revision process, and the power of metaphor.
To learn more about Laura's work, check her website (https://lauravanprooyen.com/). 
Click here to see the version of the poem that appeared in Prairie Schooner (https://prairieschooner.unl.edu/excerpt/elegy-my-mother%E2%80%99s-mind).
Our two favorite books on elegy are Jahan Ramazani's Poetry of Mourning: The Modern Elegy from Hardy to Heaney (https://press.uchicago.edu/ucp/books/book/chicago/P/bo3683910.html) and Peter Sacks's The English Elegy: Studies in the Genre from Spenser to Yeats (https://jhupbooks.press.jhu.edu/title/english-elegy).
</description>
  <itunes:keywords>21st century, aging, children, elegy, free verse, gratitude, grief and loss, guest on the show, love, mother's day</itunes:keywords>
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    <![CDATA[<p>In this episode, our guest Laura Van Prooyen reads &quot;Elegy for My Mother&#39;s Mind,&quot; a poem that navigates the complexities of memory, loss, and familial relationships. Laura&#39;s poem gives us an opportunity to think about the deep sources of poetic inspiration, the revision process, and the power of metaphor.</p>

<p>To learn more about Laura&#39;s work, check her <a href="https://lauravanprooyen.com/" rel="nofollow">website</a>. </p>

<p>Click here to see the version of the poem that appeared in <a href="https://prairieschooner.unl.edu/excerpt/elegy-my-mother%E2%80%99s-mind" rel="nofollow">Prairie Schooner</a>.</p>

<p>Our two favorite books on elegy are Jahan Ramazani&#39;s <a href="https://press.uchicago.edu/ucp/books/book/chicago/P/bo3683910.html" rel="nofollow"><em>Poetry of Mourning: The Modern Elegy from Hardy to Heaney</em></a> and Peter Sacks&#39;s <a href="https://jhupbooks.press.jhu.edu/title/english-elegy" rel="nofollow"><em>The English Elegy: Studies in the Genre from Spenser to Yeats</em></a>.</p>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<p>In this episode, our guest Laura Van Prooyen reads &quot;Elegy for My Mother&#39;s Mind,&quot; a poem that navigates the complexities of memory, loss, and familial relationships. Laura&#39;s poem gives us an opportunity to think about the deep sources of poetic inspiration, the revision process, and the power of metaphor.</p>

<p>To learn more about Laura&#39;s work, check her <a href="https://lauravanprooyen.com/" rel="nofollow">website</a>. </p>

<p>Click here to see the version of the poem that appeared in <a href="https://prairieschooner.unl.edu/excerpt/elegy-my-mother%E2%80%99s-mind" rel="nofollow">Prairie Schooner</a>.</p>

<p>Our two favorite books on elegy are Jahan Ramazani&#39;s <a href="https://press.uchicago.edu/ucp/books/book/chicago/P/bo3683910.html" rel="nofollow"><em>Poetry of Mourning: The Modern Elegy from Hardy to Heaney</em></a> and Peter Sacks&#39;s <a href="https://jhupbooks.press.jhu.edu/title/english-elegy" rel="nofollow"><em>The English Elegy: Studies in the Genre from Spenser to Yeats</em></a>.</p>]]>
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  <title>Episode 34: Tracy K. Smith, Declaration</title>
  <link>https://poetryforall.fireside.fm/34</link>
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  <pubDate>Tue, 07 Dec 2021 09:00:00 -0500</pubDate>
  <author>Joanne Diaz and Abram Van Engen</author>
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  <itunes:season>3</itunes:season>
  <itunes:author>Joanne Diaz and Abram Van Engen</itunes:author>
  <itunes:subtitle>In this episode, we discuss erasure poetry and its power to reveal hidden histories and redacted stories through Tracy K. Smith's erasure of the Declaration of Independence.</itunes:subtitle>
  <itunes:duration>23:10</itunes:duration>
  <itunes:explicit>no</itunes:explicit>
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  <description>In this episode, we discuss erasure poetry and its power to reveal hidden histories and redacted stories through Tracy K. Smith's erasure of the Declaration of Independence.
For the poem (including a reading and discussion of the poem by Tracy Smith), see the Poetry Foundation (https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/147468/declaration-5b5a286052461).
For Solmaz Sharif's discussion of the political implications of erasure poetry, see "The Near Transitive Properties of the Political and Poetical: Erasure": https://thevolta.org/ewc28-ssharif-p1.html
See also "Erasure in Three Acts (https://www.poetryfoundation.org/harriet-books/2021/11/erasure)" by Muriel Leung.
For more on Tracy K. Smith, see The Library of Congress (https://www.loc.gov/programs/poetry-and-literature/poet-laureate/poets-laureate/item/no2003106238/tracy-k-smith/).
For a look at the various drafts of the Declaration of Independence, visit this page on the Library of Congress website: https://www.loc.gov/exhibits/jefferson/jeffdec.html
Thanks to Graywolf Press for granting us permission to read this poem, which appears in Wade in the Water (https://www.graywolfpress.org/books/wade-water) (2018). 
Thanks to Harvard University and photographer Stephanie Mitchell for granting us permission to reproduce Tracy Smith's photo. 
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  <itunes:keywords>21st century, anger, black history month, erasure, grief and loss, poet laureate, social justice and advocacy</itunes:keywords>
  <content:encoded>
    <![CDATA[<p>In this episode, we discuss erasure poetry and its power to reveal hidden histories and redacted stories through Tracy K. Smith&#39;s erasure of the Declaration of Independence.</p>

<p>For the poem (including a reading and discussion of the poem by Tracy Smith), <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/147468/declaration-5b5a286052461" rel="nofollow">see the Poetry Foundation</a>.</p>

<p>For Solmaz Sharif&#39;s discussion of the political implications of erasure poetry, see &quot;The Near Transitive Properties of the Political and Poetical: Erasure&quot;: <a href="https://thevolta.org/ewc28-ssharif-p1.html" rel="nofollow">https://thevolta.org/ewc28-ssharif-p1.html</a></p>

<p>See also &quot;<a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/harriet-books/2021/11/erasure" rel="nofollow">Erasure in Three Acts</a>&quot; by Muriel Leung.</p>

<p>For more on Tracy K. Smith, see <a href="https://www.loc.gov/programs/poetry-and-literature/poet-laureate/poets-laureate/item/no2003106238/tracy-k-smith/" rel="nofollow">The Library of Congress</a>.</p>

<p>For a look at the various drafts of the Declaration of Independence, visit this page on the Library of Congress website: <a href="https://www.loc.gov/exhibits/jefferson/jeffdec.html" rel="nofollow">https://www.loc.gov/exhibits/jefferson/jeffdec.html</a></p>

<p>Thanks to Graywolf Press for granting us permission to read this poem, which appears in <a href="https://www.graywolfpress.org/books/wade-water" rel="nofollow">Wade in the Water</a> (2018). </p>

<p>Thanks to Harvard University and photographer Stephanie Mitchell for granting us permission to reproduce Tracy Smith&#39;s photo.</p><p>Links:</p><ul><li><a title="Declaration by Tracy K. Smith | Poetry Foundation" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/147468/declaration-5b5a286052461">Declaration by Tracy K. Smith | Poetry Foundation</a></li><li><a title="Tracy K. Smith | Library of Congress" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.loc.gov/programs/poetry-and-literature/poet-laureate/poets-laureate/item/no2003106238/tracy-k-smith/">Tracy K. Smith | Library of Congress</a></li><li><a title="Look | Graywolf Press" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.graywolfpress.org/books/look">Look | Graywolf Press</a></li><li><a title="Erasure in Three Acts: An Essay by Muriel Leung | Poetry Foundation" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/harriet-books/2021/11/erasure">Erasure in Three Acts: An Essay by Muriel Leung | Poetry Foundation</a></li></ul>]]>
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  <itunes:summary>
    <![CDATA[<p>In this episode, we discuss erasure poetry and its power to reveal hidden histories and redacted stories through Tracy K. Smith&#39;s erasure of the Declaration of Independence.</p>

<p>For the poem (including a reading and discussion of the poem by Tracy Smith), <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/147468/declaration-5b5a286052461" rel="nofollow">see the Poetry Foundation</a>.</p>

<p>For Solmaz Sharif&#39;s discussion of the political implications of erasure poetry, see &quot;The Near Transitive Properties of the Political and Poetical: Erasure&quot;: <a href="https://thevolta.org/ewc28-ssharif-p1.html" rel="nofollow">https://thevolta.org/ewc28-ssharif-p1.html</a></p>

<p>See also &quot;<a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/harriet-books/2021/11/erasure" rel="nofollow">Erasure in Three Acts</a>&quot; by Muriel Leung.</p>

<p>For more on Tracy K. Smith, see <a href="https://www.loc.gov/programs/poetry-and-literature/poet-laureate/poets-laureate/item/no2003106238/tracy-k-smith/" rel="nofollow">The Library of Congress</a>.</p>

<p>For a look at the various drafts of the Declaration of Independence, visit this page on the Library of Congress website: <a href="https://www.loc.gov/exhibits/jefferson/jeffdec.html" rel="nofollow">https://www.loc.gov/exhibits/jefferson/jeffdec.html</a></p>

<p>Thanks to Graywolf Press for granting us permission to read this poem, which appears in <a href="https://www.graywolfpress.org/books/wade-water" rel="nofollow">Wade in the Water</a> (2018). </p>

<p>Thanks to Harvard University and photographer Stephanie Mitchell for granting us permission to reproduce Tracy Smith&#39;s photo.</p><p>Links:</p><ul><li><a title="Declaration by Tracy K. Smith | Poetry Foundation" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/147468/declaration-5b5a286052461">Declaration by Tracy K. Smith | Poetry Foundation</a></li><li><a title="Tracy K. Smith | Library of Congress" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.loc.gov/programs/poetry-and-literature/poet-laureate/poets-laureate/item/no2003106238/tracy-k-smith/">Tracy K. Smith | Library of Congress</a></li><li><a title="Look | Graywolf Press" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.graywolfpress.org/books/look">Look | Graywolf Press</a></li><li><a title="Erasure in Three Acts: An Essay by Muriel Leung | Poetry Foundation" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/harriet-books/2021/11/erasure">Erasure in Three Acts: An Essay by Muriel Leung | Poetry Foundation</a></li></ul>]]>
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  <title>Episode 29: Elizabeth Bishop, One Art</title>
  <link>https://poetryforall.fireside.fm/29</link>
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  <pubDate>Wed, 06 Oct 2021 10:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
  <author>Joanne Diaz and Abram Van Engen</author>
  <enclosure url="https://aphid.fireside.fm/d/1437767933/d55a3bfc-6538-4214-882b-a389e71b4bf6/6bd17207-fdaf-403e-9e55-7b64b17ceed3.mp3" length="20399296" type="audio/mpeg"/>
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  <itunes:season>3</itunes:season>
  <itunes:author>Joanne Diaz and Abram Van Engen</itunes:author>
  <itunes:subtitle></itunes:subtitle>
  <itunes:duration>25:16</itunes:duration>
  <itunes:explicit>no</itunes:explicit>
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  <description>Elizabeth Bishop was one of the greatest poets of the twentieth century, and "One Art" is certainly one of the greatest villanelles. In this episode, we talk about the poetic form and its constraints. We also draw upon recent scholarship that has revealed a great deal about Elizabeth Bishop's life and work in order to understand the power of poetic constraint. 
Click here to read "One Art": https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/47536/one-art
For more about Elizabeth Bishop's life and the cultural context that informed her work, read Megan Marshall's Elizabeth Bishop: A Miracle for Breakfast (https://www.hmhbooks.com/shop/books/elizabeth-bishop/9781328745637).
To learn more about the correspondence between Elizabeth Bishop and Robert Lowell, read Words in Air: The Complete Correspondence Between Elizabeth Bishop and Robert Lowell (https://us.macmillan.com/books/9780374531898), edited by Thomas Travisano and Saskia Hamilton.
“One Art” from POEMS by Elizabeth Bishop. Copyright © 2011 by The Alice H. Methfessel Trust. Publisher's Note and compilation copyright © 2011 by Farrar, Straus and Giroux. Used by permission of Farrar, Straus and Giroux.  
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  <itunes:keywords>20th century, grief and loss, lgbtqia month, love, rhymed verse, villanelle, women's history month</itunes:keywords>
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    <![CDATA[<p>Elizabeth Bishop was one of the greatest poets of the twentieth century, and &quot;One Art&quot; is certainly one of the greatest villanelles. In this episode, we talk about the poetic form and its constraints. We also draw upon recent scholarship that has revealed a great deal about Elizabeth Bishop&#39;s life and work in order to understand the power of poetic constraint. </p>

<p>Click here to read &quot;One Art&quot;: <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/47536/one-art" rel="nofollow">https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/47536/one-art</a></p>

<p>For more about Elizabeth Bishop&#39;s life and the cultural context that informed her work, read Megan Marshall&#39;s <em><a href="https://www.hmhbooks.com/shop/books/elizabeth-bishop/9781328745637" rel="nofollow">Elizabeth Bishop: A Miracle for Breakfast</a></em>.</p>

<p>To learn more about the correspondence between Elizabeth Bishop and Robert Lowell, read <em><a href="https://us.macmillan.com/books/9780374531898" rel="nofollow">Words in Air: The Complete Correspondence Between Elizabeth Bishop and Robert Lowell</a></em>, edited by Thomas Travisano and Saskia Hamilton.</p>

<p>“One Art” from POEMS by Elizabeth Bishop. Copyright © 2011 by The Alice H. Methfessel Trust. Publisher&#39;s Note and compilation copyright © 2011 by Farrar, Straus and Giroux. Used by permission of Farrar, Straus and Giroux. </p>]]>
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  <itunes:summary>
    <![CDATA[<p>Elizabeth Bishop was one of the greatest poets of the twentieth century, and &quot;One Art&quot; is certainly one of the greatest villanelles. In this episode, we talk about the poetic form and its constraints. We also draw upon recent scholarship that has revealed a great deal about Elizabeth Bishop&#39;s life and work in order to understand the power of poetic constraint. </p>

<p>Click here to read &quot;One Art&quot;: <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/47536/one-art" rel="nofollow">https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/47536/one-art</a></p>

<p>For more about Elizabeth Bishop&#39;s life and the cultural context that informed her work, read Megan Marshall&#39;s <em><a href="https://www.hmhbooks.com/shop/books/elizabeth-bishop/9781328745637" rel="nofollow">Elizabeth Bishop: A Miracle for Breakfast</a></em>.</p>

<p>To learn more about the correspondence between Elizabeth Bishop and Robert Lowell, read <em><a href="https://us.macmillan.com/books/9780374531898" rel="nofollow">Words in Air: The Complete Correspondence Between Elizabeth Bishop and Robert Lowell</a></em>, edited by Thomas Travisano and Saskia Hamilton.</p>

<p>“One Art” from POEMS by Elizabeth Bishop. Copyright © 2011 by The Alice H. Methfessel Trust. Publisher&#39;s Note and compilation copyright © 2011 by Farrar, Straus and Giroux. Used by permission of Farrar, Straus and Giroux. </p>]]>
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  <title>Episode 26: Brenda Cárdenas, "Our Lady of Sorrows"</title>
  <link>https://poetryforall.fireside.fm/26</link>
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  <pubDate>Wed, 15 Sep 2021 12:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
  <author>Joanne Diaz and Abram Van Engen</author>
  <enclosure url="https://aphid.fireside.fm/d/1437767933/d55a3bfc-6538-4214-882b-a389e71b4bf6/16375cf9-6bce-4759-8629-ba78046f964a.mp3" length="15849464" type="audio/mpeg"/>
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  <itunes:author>Joanne Diaz and Abram Van Engen</itunes:author>
  <itunes:subtitle>In this episode, Brenda Cárdenas guides us through a reading of "Our Lady of Sorrows," an ekphrastic poem that is inspired by the work of Ana Mendieta. </itunes:subtitle>
  <itunes:duration>21:44</itunes:duration>
  <itunes:explicit>no</itunes:explicit>
  <itunes:image href="https://media24.fireside.fm/file/fireside-images-2024/podcasts/images/d/d55a3bfc-6538-4214-882b-a389e71b4bf6/episodes/1/16375cf9-6bce-4759-8629-ba78046f964a/cover.jpg?v=4"/>
  <description>In this episode, Brenda Cárdenas guides us through a reading of "Our Lady of Sorrows," an ekphrastic poem that is inspired by the work of Ana Mendieta. 
To read more of Brenda Cárdenas's work, click here:
https://uwm.edu/english/our-people/cardenas-brenda/
To learn more about Ana Mendieta's work, click here:
https://www.guggenheim.org/artwork/artist/ana-mendieta
</description>
  <itunes:keywords>21st century, ekphrasis, erasure, free verse, grief and loss, guest on the show, hispanic heritage month, nature poetry, social justice and advocacy, spirituality, visual poetry, word and image</itunes:keywords>
  <content:encoded>
    <![CDATA[<p>In this episode, Brenda Cárdenas guides us through a reading of &quot;Our Lady of Sorrows,&quot; an ekphrastic poem that is inspired by the work of Ana Mendieta. </p>

<p>To read more of Brenda Cárdenas&#39;s work, click here:</p>

<p><a href="https://uwm.edu/english/our-people/cardenas-brenda/" rel="nofollow">https://uwm.edu/english/our-people/cardenas-brenda/</a></p>

<p>To learn more about Ana Mendieta&#39;s work, click here:</p>

<p><a href="https://www.guggenheim.org/artwork/artist/ana-mendieta" rel="nofollow">https://www.guggenheim.org/artwork/artist/ana-mendieta</a></p>]]>
  </content:encoded>
  <itunes:summary>
    <![CDATA[<p>In this episode, Brenda Cárdenas guides us through a reading of &quot;Our Lady of Sorrows,&quot; an ekphrastic poem that is inspired by the work of Ana Mendieta. </p>

<p>To read more of Brenda Cárdenas&#39;s work, click here:</p>

<p><a href="https://uwm.edu/english/our-people/cardenas-brenda/" rel="nofollow">https://uwm.edu/english/our-people/cardenas-brenda/</a></p>

<p>To learn more about Ana Mendieta&#39;s work, click here:</p>

<p><a href="https://www.guggenheim.org/artwork/artist/ana-mendieta" rel="nofollow">https://www.guggenheim.org/artwork/artist/ana-mendieta</a></p>]]>
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  <title>Episode 23: Langston Hughes, "Johannesburg Mines"</title>
  <link>https://poetryforall.fireside.fm/23</link>
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  <pubDate>Fri, 21 May 2021 11:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
  <author>Joanne Diaz and Abram Van Engen</author>
  <enclosure url="https://aphid.fireside.fm/d/1437767933/d55a3bfc-6538-4214-882b-a389e71b4bf6/2cb47c0a-05d2-4e9f-9a28-e951a18a5e63.mp3" length="14204082" type="audio/mpeg"/>
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  <itunes:season>2</itunes:season>
  <itunes:author>Joanne Diaz and Abram Van Engen</itunes:author>
  <itunes:subtitle>In this episode, we discuss social poetics, poetry of witness, and the places where poetry speaks loudly of silence -- where language fails in the face of trauma.  "The worst is not, so long as we can say, 'This is the worst.'"</itunes:subtitle>
  <itunes:duration>19:29</itunes:duration>
  <itunes:explicit>no</itunes:explicit>
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  <description>In this episode, we discuss social poetics, the poetry of witness, and the way poets can speak of the failure of language and the need for silence in the face of trauma. "The worst is not, so long as we can say, 'This is the worst.'"
For the text of Langston Hughes's poem "Johannesburg Mines," see here (https://www.poetrynook.com/poem/johannesburg-mines).
For more on Langston Hughes, see the Poetry Foundation (https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/langston-hughes).
For more on social poetics, see Mark Nowak's book (https://coffeehousepress.org/products/social-poetics) by that name.
For more on the poetry of witness, see Sandra Beasley's essay "Flint and Tinder." (https://www.poetrynw.org/sandra-beasley-flint-and-tinder-understanding-the-difference-between-poetry-of-witness-and-documentary-poetics/)
For Anna Akhmatova's "Instead of a Preface" in her great work Requiem as an alternative approach, see here (https://www.poemhunter.com/poem/requiem/).
Thanks to Harold Ober Associates, Inc., for granting us permission to read this poem on our podcast. 
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  <itunes:keywords>20th century, anger, black history month, free verse, grief and loss, laborers, modernism, repetition or refrain, social justice and advocacy</itunes:keywords>
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    <![CDATA[<p>In this episode, we discuss social poetics, the poetry of witness, and the way poets can speak of the failure of language and the need for silence in the face of trauma. &quot;The worst is not, so long as we can say, &#39;This is the worst.&#39;&quot;</p>

<p>For the text of Langston Hughes&#39;s poem &quot;Johannesburg Mines,&quot; <a href="https://www.poetrynook.com/poem/johannesburg-mines" rel="nofollow">see here</a>.</p>

<p>For more on Langston Hughes, see<a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/langston-hughes" rel="nofollow"> the Poetry Foundation</a>.</p>

<p>For more on social poetics, see <a href="https://coffeehousepress.org/products/social-poetics" rel="nofollow">Mark Nowak&#39;s book</a> by that name.</p>

<p>For more on the poetry of witness, see <a href="https://www.poetrynw.org/sandra-beasley-flint-and-tinder-understanding-the-difference-between-poetry-of-witness-and-documentary-poetics/" rel="nofollow">Sandra Beasley&#39;s essay &quot;Flint and Tinder.&quot;</a></p>

<p>For Anna Akhmatova&#39;s &quot;Instead of a Preface&quot; in her great work Requiem as an alternative approach, <a href="https://www.poemhunter.com/poem/requiem/" rel="nofollow">see here</a>.</p>

<p>Thanks to Harold Ober Associates, Inc., for granting us permission to read this poem on our podcast.</p><p>Links:</p><ul><li><a title="Poem: Johannesburg Mines by Langston Hughes" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.poetrynook.com/poem/johannesburg-mines">Poem: Johannesburg Mines by Langston Hughes</a></li><li><a title="Langston Hughes | Poetry Foundation" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/langston-hughes">Langston Hughes | Poetry Foundation</a></li><li><a title="Social Poetics – Coffee House Press" rel="nofollow" href="https://coffeehousepress.org/products/social-poetics">Social Poetics – Coffee House Press</a></li><li><a title="Sandra Beasley: “Flint and Tinder – Understanding the Difference Between ‘Poetry of Witness’ and ‘Documentary Poetics’”" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.poetrynw.org/sandra-beasley-flint-and-tinder-understanding-the-difference-between-poetry-of-witness-and-documentary-poetics/">Sandra Beasley: “Flint and Tinder – Understanding the Difference Between ‘Poetry of Witness’ and ‘Documentary Poetics’”</a></li><li><a title="Requiem Poem by Anna Akhmatova - Poem Hunter" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.poemhunter.com/poem/requiem/">Requiem Poem by Anna Akhmatova - Poem Hunter</a></li></ul>]]>
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  <itunes:summary>
    <![CDATA[<p>In this episode, we discuss social poetics, the poetry of witness, and the way poets can speak of the failure of language and the need for silence in the face of trauma. &quot;The worst is not, so long as we can say, &#39;This is the worst.&#39;&quot;</p>

<p>For the text of Langston Hughes&#39;s poem &quot;Johannesburg Mines,&quot; <a href="https://www.poetrynook.com/poem/johannesburg-mines" rel="nofollow">see here</a>.</p>

<p>For more on Langston Hughes, see<a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/langston-hughes" rel="nofollow"> the Poetry Foundation</a>.</p>

<p>For more on social poetics, see <a href="https://coffeehousepress.org/products/social-poetics" rel="nofollow">Mark Nowak&#39;s book</a> by that name.</p>

<p>For more on the poetry of witness, see <a href="https://www.poetrynw.org/sandra-beasley-flint-and-tinder-understanding-the-difference-between-poetry-of-witness-and-documentary-poetics/" rel="nofollow">Sandra Beasley&#39;s essay &quot;Flint and Tinder.&quot;</a></p>

<p>For Anna Akhmatova&#39;s &quot;Instead of a Preface&quot; in her great work Requiem as an alternative approach, <a href="https://www.poemhunter.com/poem/requiem/" rel="nofollow">see here</a>.</p>

<p>Thanks to Harold Ober Associates, Inc., for granting us permission to read this poem on our podcast.</p><p>Links:</p><ul><li><a title="Poem: Johannesburg Mines by Langston Hughes" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.poetrynook.com/poem/johannesburg-mines">Poem: Johannesburg Mines by Langston Hughes</a></li><li><a title="Langston Hughes | Poetry Foundation" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/langston-hughes">Langston Hughes | Poetry Foundation</a></li><li><a title="Social Poetics – Coffee House Press" rel="nofollow" href="https://coffeehousepress.org/products/social-poetics">Social Poetics – Coffee House Press</a></li><li><a title="Sandra Beasley: “Flint and Tinder – Understanding the Difference Between ‘Poetry of Witness’ and ‘Documentary Poetics’”" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.poetrynw.org/sandra-beasley-flint-and-tinder-understanding-the-difference-between-poetry-of-witness-and-documentary-poetics/">Sandra Beasley: “Flint and Tinder – Understanding the Difference Between ‘Poetry of Witness’ and ‘Documentary Poetics’”</a></li><li><a title="Requiem Poem by Anna Akhmatova - Poem Hunter" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.poemhunter.com/poem/requiem/">Requiem Poem by Anna Akhmatova - Poem Hunter</a></li></ul>]]>
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  <title>Episode 22: Two Poems of World War I</title>
  <link>https://poetryforall.fireside.fm/22</link>
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  <pubDate>Tue, 27 Apr 2021 13:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
  <author>Joanne Diaz and Abram Van Engen</author>
  <enclosure url="https://aphid.fireside.fm/d/1437767933/d55a3bfc-6538-4214-882b-a389e71b4bf6/ba9cbfdd-85b9-462f-9b4e-a7c1a5b532c7.mp3" length="14944399" type="audio/mpeg"/>
  <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
  <itunes:season>2</itunes:season>
  <itunes:author>Joanne Diaz and Abram Van Engen</itunes:author>
  <itunes:subtitle>In this episode, we talk with Vince Sherry about two poems of WWI: Rupert Brooke's "The Soldier" and Ivor Gurney's "To His Love." The first poem, a stately beauty, imagines war almost peacefully; the second poem, scarred by combat, speaks back nervously and angrily. We talk through this remarkable set of poems and experiences and examine how a careful use of language conveys their effects.</itunes:subtitle>
  <itunes:duration>24:43</itunes:duration>
  <itunes:explicit>no</itunes:explicit>
  <itunes:image href="https://media24.fireside.fm/file/fireside-images-2024/podcasts/images/d/d55a3bfc-6538-4214-882b-a389e71b4bf6/episodes/b/ba9cbfdd-85b9-462f-9b4e-a7c1a5b532c7/cover.jpg?v=1"/>
  <description>In this episode, we talk with Vince Sherry about two poems of WWI: Rupert Brooke's "The Soldier" and Ivor Gurney's "To His Love." The first poem, a stately beauty, imagines war almost peacefully; the second poem, scarred by combat, speaks back nervously and angrily. We talk through this remarkable set of poems and experiences and examine how a careful use of language conveys their effects.
"The Soldier"
by Rupert Brooke
If I should die, think only this of me:
      That there’s some corner of a foreign field
That is for ever England. There shall be
      In that rich earth a richer dust concealed;
A dust whom England bore, shaped, made aware,
      Gave, once, her flowers to love, her ways to roam;
A body of England’s, breathing English air,
      Washed by the rivers, blest by suns of home.
And think, this heart, all evil shed away,
      A pulse in the eternal mind, no less
            Gives somewhere back the thoughts by England given;
Her sights and sounds; dreams happy as her day;
      And laughter, learnt of friends; and gentleness,
            In hearts at peace, under an English heaven.
To His Love
by Ivor Gurney
He's gone, and all our plans
   Are useless indeed.
We'll walk no more on Cotswold
   Where the sheep feed
   Quietly and take no heed.
His body that was so quick
   Is not as you
Knew it, on Severn river
   Under the blue
   Driving our small boat through.
You would not know him now ...
   But still he died
Nobly, so cover him over
   With violets of pride
   Purple from Severn side.
Cover him, cover him soon!
   And with thick-set
Masses of memoried flowers—
   Hide that red wet
   Thing I must somehow forget.
For more on Rupert Brooke, see The Poetry Foundation (https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/rupert-brooke).
For more on Ivor Gurney, see The Poetry Foundation (https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/ivor-gurney).
Gurney was also a prolific composer. For a sample of his music, see his Goucestershire Rhapsody. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eqxo0rV2AFY) 
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  <itunes:keywords>20th century, grief and loss, guest on the show, modernism, rhymed verse, sonnet, veteran's day</itunes:keywords>
  <content:encoded>
    <![CDATA[<p>In this episode, we talk with Vince Sherry about two poems of WWI: Rupert Brooke&#39;s &quot;The Soldier&quot; and Ivor Gurney&#39;s &quot;To His Love.&quot; The first poem, a stately beauty, imagines war almost peacefully; the second poem, scarred by combat, speaks back nervously and angrily. We talk through this remarkable set of poems and experiences and examine how a careful use of language conveys their effects.</p>

<p><strong>&quot;The Soldier&quot;</strong><br>
by Rupert Brooke</p>

<p>If I should die, think only this of me:<br>
      That there’s some corner of a foreign field<br>
That is for ever England. There shall be<br>
      In that rich earth a richer dust concealed;<br>
A dust whom England bore, shaped, made aware,<br>
      Gave, once, her flowers to love, her ways to roam;<br>
A body of England’s, breathing English air,<br>
      Washed by the rivers, blest by suns of home.</p>

<p>And think, this heart, all evil shed away,<br>
      A pulse in the eternal mind, no less<br>
            Gives somewhere back the thoughts by England given;<br>
Her sights and sounds; dreams happy as her day;<br>
      And laughter, learnt of friends; and gentleness,<br>
            In hearts at peace, under an English heaven.</p>

<p><strong>To His Love</strong><br>
by Ivor Gurney</p>

<p>He&#39;s gone, and all our plans<br>
   Are useless indeed.<br>
We&#39;ll walk no more on Cotswold<br>
   Where the sheep feed<br>
   Quietly and take no heed.</p>

<p>His body that was so quick<br>
   Is not as you<br>
Knew it, on Severn river<br>
   Under the blue<br>
   Driving our small boat through.</p>

<p>You would not know him now ...<br>
   But still he died<br>
Nobly, so cover him over<br>
   With violets of pride<br>
   Purple from Severn side.</p>

<p>Cover him, cover him soon!<br>
   And with thick-set<br>
Masses of memoried flowers—<br>
   Hide that red wet<br>
   Thing I must somehow forget.</p>

<p>For more on Rupert Brooke, see <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/rupert-brooke" rel="nofollow">The Poetry Foundation</a>.</p>

<p>For more on Ivor Gurney, see <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/ivor-gurney" rel="nofollow">The Poetry Foundation</a>.</p>

<p>Gurney was also a prolific composer. For a sample of his music, see his <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eqxo0rV2AFY" rel="nofollow">Goucestershire Rhapsody.</a></p><p>Links:</p><ul><li><a title="The Soldier by Rupert Brooke | Poetry Magazine" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poetrymagazine/poems/13076/the-soldier">The Soldier by Rupert Brooke | Poetry Magazine</a></li><li><a title="To His Love by Ivor Gurney | Poetry Foundation" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/57246/to-his-love">To His Love by Ivor Gurney | Poetry Foundation</a></li><li><a title="Ivor Gurney: A Gloucestershire Rhapsody - YouTube" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eqxo0rV2AFY">Ivor Gurney: A Gloucestershire Rhapsody - YouTube</a></li><li><a title="Vincent Sherry | Arts &amp; Sciences" rel="nofollow" href="https://artsci.wustl.edu/faculty-staff/vincent-sherry">Vincent Sherry | Arts &amp; Sciences</a></li><li><a title="Rupert Brooke | Poetry Foundation" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/rupert-brooke">Rupert Brooke | Poetry Foundation</a></li><li><a title="Ivor Gurney | Poetry Foundation" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/ivor-gurney">Ivor Gurney | Poetry Foundation</a></li></ul>]]>
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  <itunes:summary>
    <![CDATA[<p>In this episode, we talk with Vince Sherry about two poems of WWI: Rupert Brooke&#39;s &quot;The Soldier&quot; and Ivor Gurney&#39;s &quot;To His Love.&quot; The first poem, a stately beauty, imagines war almost peacefully; the second poem, scarred by combat, speaks back nervously and angrily. We talk through this remarkable set of poems and experiences and examine how a careful use of language conveys their effects.</p>

<p><strong>&quot;The Soldier&quot;</strong><br>
by Rupert Brooke</p>

<p>If I should die, think only this of me:<br>
      That there’s some corner of a foreign field<br>
That is for ever England. There shall be<br>
      In that rich earth a richer dust concealed;<br>
A dust whom England bore, shaped, made aware,<br>
      Gave, once, her flowers to love, her ways to roam;<br>
A body of England’s, breathing English air,<br>
      Washed by the rivers, blest by suns of home.</p>

<p>And think, this heart, all evil shed away,<br>
      A pulse in the eternal mind, no less<br>
            Gives somewhere back the thoughts by England given;<br>
Her sights and sounds; dreams happy as her day;<br>
      And laughter, learnt of friends; and gentleness,<br>
            In hearts at peace, under an English heaven.</p>

<p><strong>To His Love</strong><br>
by Ivor Gurney</p>

<p>He&#39;s gone, and all our plans<br>
   Are useless indeed.<br>
We&#39;ll walk no more on Cotswold<br>
   Where the sheep feed<br>
   Quietly and take no heed.</p>

<p>His body that was so quick<br>
   Is not as you<br>
Knew it, on Severn river<br>
   Under the blue<br>
   Driving our small boat through.</p>

<p>You would not know him now ...<br>
   But still he died<br>
Nobly, so cover him over<br>
   With violets of pride<br>
   Purple from Severn side.</p>

<p>Cover him, cover him soon!<br>
   And with thick-set<br>
Masses of memoried flowers—<br>
   Hide that red wet<br>
   Thing I must somehow forget.</p>

<p>For more on Rupert Brooke, see <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/rupert-brooke" rel="nofollow">The Poetry Foundation</a>.</p>

<p>For more on Ivor Gurney, see <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/ivor-gurney" rel="nofollow">The Poetry Foundation</a>.</p>

<p>Gurney was also a prolific composer. For a sample of his music, see his <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eqxo0rV2AFY" rel="nofollow">Goucestershire Rhapsody.</a></p><p>Links:</p><ul><li><a title="The Soldier by Rupert Brooke | Poetry Magazine" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poetrymagazine/poems/13076/the-soldier">The Soldier by Rupert Brooke | Poetry Magazine</a></li><li><a title="To His Love by Ivor Gurney | Poetry Foundation" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/57246/to-his-love">To His Love by Ivor Gurney | Poetry Foundation</a></li><li><a title="Ivor Gurney: A Gloucestershire Rhapsody - YouTube" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eqxo0rV2AFY">Ivor Gurney: A Gloucestershire Rhapsody - YouTube</a></li><li><a title="Vincent Sherry | Arts &amp; Sciences" rel="nofollow" href="https://artsci.wustl.edu/faculty-staff/vincent-sherry">Vincent Sherry | Arts &amp; Sciences</a></li><li><a title="Rupert Brooke | Poetry Foundation" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/rupert-brooke">Rupert Brooke | Poetry Foundation</a></li><li><a title="Ivor Gurney | Poetry Foundation" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/ivor-gurney">Ivor Gurney | Poetry Foundation</a></li></ul>]]>
  </itunes:summary>
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  <title>Episode 16: John Milton, When I Consider How My Light is Spent</title>
  <link>https://poetryforall.fireside.fm/16</link>
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  <pubDate>Mon, 15 Feb 2021 12:00:00 -0500</pubDate>
  <author>Joanne Diaz and Abram Van Engen</author>
  <enclosure url="https://aphid.fireside.fm/d/1437767933/d55a3bfc-6538-4214-882b-a389e71b4bf6/4ab5e9d9-4cd1-4a49-948e-0b332ae2d5c4.mp3" length="12589957" type="audio/mpeg"/>
  <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
  <itunes:season>2</itunes:season>
  <itunes:author>Joanne Diaz and Abram Van Engen</itunes:author>
  <itunes:subtitle>The episode explores Milton's great sonnet spun from the difficulties of middle age and new disappointments. We consider how he pulls consolation from his sense of defeat and near despair. Faced with his coming blindness, he hears the voice of Patience giving him the strength to wait.</itunes:subtitle>
  <itunes:duration>15:57</itunes:duration>
  <itunes:explicit>no</itunes:explicit>
  <itunes:image href="https://media24.fireside.fm/file/fireside-images-2024/podcasts/images/d/d55a3bfc-6538-4214-882b-a389e71b4bf6/episodes/4/4ab5e9d9-4cd1-4a49-948e-0b332ae2d5c4/cover.jpg?v=1"/>
  <description>The episode explores Milton's great sonnet spun from the difficulties of middle age and new disappointments. We consider how he pulls consolation from his sense of defeat and near despair. Faced with his coming blindness, he hears the voice of Patience giving him the strength to wait.
THE TEXT (https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/44750/sonnet-19-when-i-consider-how-my-light-is-spent)
John Milton, "When I Consider How My Light is Spent"
When I consider how my light is spent,
   Ere half my days, in this dark world and wide,
   And that one Talent which is death to hide
   Lodged with me useless, though my Soul more bent
To serve therewith my Maker, and present
   My true account, lest he returning chide;
   “Doth God exact day-labour, light denied?”
   I fondly ask. But patience, to prevent
That murmur, soon replies, “God doth not need
   Either man’s work or his own gifts; who best
   Bear his mild yoke, they serve him best. His state
Is Kingly. Thousands at his bidding speed
   And post o’er Land and Ocean without rest:
   They also serve who only stand and wait.”
https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/john-milton 
</description>
  <itunes:keywords>17th century, aging, anger, body in pain, christianity, grief and loss, hope, rhymed verse, sonnet, surprise</itunes:keywords>
  <content:encoded>
    <![CDATA[<p>The episode explores Milton&#39;s great sonnet spun from the difficulties of middle age and new disappointments. We consider how he pulls consolation from his sense of defeat and near despair. Faced with his coming blindness, he hears the voice of Patience giving him the strength to wait.</p>

<p><a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/44750/sonnet-19-when-i-consider-how-my-light-is-spent" rel="nofollow">THE TEXT</a></p>

<p><strong>John Milton, &quot;When I Consider How My Light is Spent&quot;</strong></p>

<p>When I consider how my light is spent,<br>
   Ere half my days, in this dark world and wide,<br>
   And that one Talent which is death to hide<br>
   Lodged with me useless, though my Soul more bent<br>
To serve therewith my Maker, and present<br>
   My true account, lest he returning chide;<br>
   “Doth God exact day-labour, light denied?”<br>
   I fondly ask. But patience, to prevent<br>
That murmur, soon replies, “God doth not need<br>
   Either man’s work or his own gifts; who best<br>
   Bear his mild yoke, they serve him best. His state<br>
Is Kingly. Thousands at his bidding speed<br>
   And post o’er Land and Ocean without rest:<br>
   They also serve who only stand and wait.”</p>

<p><a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/john-milton" rel="nofollow">https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/john-milton</a></p>]]>
  </content:encoded>
  <itunes:summary>
    <![CDATA[<p>The episode explores Milton&#39;s great sonnet spun from the difficulties of middle age and new disappointments. We consider how he pulls consolation from his sense of defeat and near despair. Faced with his coming blindness, he hears the voice of Patience giving him the strength to wait.</p>

<p><a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/44750/sonnet-19-when-i-consider-how-my-light-is-spent" rel="nofollow">THE TEXT</a></p>

<p><strong>John Milton, &quot;When I Consider How My Light is Spent&quot;</strong></p>

<p>When I consider how my light is spent,<br>
   Ere half my days, in this dark world and wide,<br>
   And that one Talent which is death to hide<br>
   Lodged with me useless, though my Soul more bent<br>
To serve therewith my Maker, and present<br>
   My true account, lest he returning chide;<br>
   “Doth God exact day-labour, light denied?”<br>
   I fondly ask. But patience, to prevent<br>
That murmur, soon replies, “God doth not need<br>
   Either man’s work or his own gifts; who best<br>
   Bear his mild yoke, they serve him best. His state<br>
Is Kingly. Thousands at his bidding speed<br>
   And post o’er Land and Ocean without rest:<br>
   They also serve who only stand and wait.”</p>

<p><a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/john-milton" rel="nofollow">https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/john-milton</a></p>]]>
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  <title>Episode 12: James Merrill, Christmas Tree</title>
  <link>https://poetryforall.fireside.fm/12</link>
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  <pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2020 14:00:00 -0500</pubDate>
  <author>Joanne Diaz and Abram Van Engen</author>
  <enclosure url="https://aphid.fireside.fm/d/1437767933/d55a3bfc-6538-4214-882b-a389e71b4bf6/5ebb194d-2f3b-4857-93b1-85c731445f5a.mp3" length="16757055" type="audio/mpeg"/>
  <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
  <itunes:season>1</itunes:season>
  <itunes:author>Joanne Diaz and Abram Van Engen</itunes:author>
  <itunes:subtitle></itunes:subtitle>
  <itunes:duration>21:37</itunes:duration>
  <itunes:explicit>no</itunes:explicit>
  <itunes:image href="https://media24.fireside.fm/file/fireside-images-2024/podcasts/images/d/d55a3bfc-6538-4214-882b-a389e71b4bf6/episodes/5/5ebb194d-2f3b-4857-93b1-85c731445f5a/cover.jpg?v=1"/>
  <description>In this episode, Spencer Reece guides us through a reading of "Christmas Tree," one of the last poems that James Merrill wrote before his death. We learned so much through this conversation--about the friendship between James Merrill and Spencer Reece, the rhetorical force of visual poems, and the emotional power of elegy during the AIDS pandemic as well as in our own moment. 
For the full text of "Christmas Tree," please see this page (https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poetrymagazine/browse?contentId=39363) from the September 1995 issue of Poetry magazine.
For more on James Merrill, please see this page (https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/james-merrill) from the Poetry Foundation website.
For more on Spencer Reece, please see this page (https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/spencer-reece) from the Poetry Foundation website. 
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  <itunes:keywords>20th century, advent/christmas, aging, body in pain, elegy, friendship, grief and loss, guest on the show, intimacy, lgbtqia month, love, science and medicine, visual poetry</itunes:keywords>
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    <![CDATA[<p>In this episode, Spencer Reece guides us through a reading of &quot;Christmas Tree,&quot; one of the last poems that James Merrill wrote before his death. We learned so much through this conversation--about the friendship between James Merrill and Spencer Reece, the rhetorical force of visual poems, and the emotional power of elegy during the AIDS pandemic as well as in our own moment. </p>

<p>For the full text of &quot;Christmas Tree,&quot; please see <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poetrymagazine/browse?contentId=39363" rel="nofollow">this page</a> from the September 1995 issue of <em>Poetry</em> magazine.</p>

<p>For more on James Merrill, please see <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/james-merrill" rel="nofollow">this page</a> from the Poetry Foundation website.</p>

<p>For more on Spencer Reece, please see <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/spencer-reece" rel="nofollow">this page</a> from the Poetry Foundation website. </p>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<p>In this episode, Spencer Reece guides us through a reading of &quot;Christmas Tree,&quot; one of the last poems that James Merrill wrote before his death. We learned so much through this conversation--about the friendship between James Merrill and Spencer Reece, the rhetorical force of visual poems, and the emotional power of elegy during the AIDS pandemic as well as in our own moment. </p>

<p>For the full text of &quot;Christmas Tree,&quot; please see <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poetrymagazine/browse?contentId=39363" rel="nofollow">this page</a> from the September 1995 issue of <em>Poetry</em> magazine.</p>

<p>For more on James Merrill, please see <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/james-merrill" rel="nofollow">this page</a> from the Poetry Foundation website.</p>

<p>For more on Spencer Reece, please see <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/spencer-reece" rel="nofollow">this page</a> from the Poetry Foundation website. </p>]]>
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  <title>Episode 9: Anne Bradstreet, In Memory of My Dear Grandchild Elizabeth Bradstreet</title>
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  <pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2020 11:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
  <author>Joanne Diaz and Abram Van Engen</author>
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  <itunes:subtitle>This week we read Anne Bradstreet's elegy for her grandchild Elizabeth and draw out the multiple voices (both faith and doubt, both grief and consolation) and the tensions and deep emotions in the work of this talented Puritan poet--the first woman from British North America to publish a book of poems.</itunes:subtitle>
  <itunes:duration>14:52</itunes:duration>
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  <description>This week we read Anne Bradstreet's elegy for her grandchild Elizabeth and draw out the multiple voices (both faith and doubt, both grief and consolation) and the tensions and deep emotions in the work of this talented Puritan poet--the first woman from British North America to publish a book of poems.
"In Memory of My Dear Grandchild Elizabeth Bradstreet, Who Deceased August, 1665 Being a Year and a Half Old"
Farewell dear babe, my heart's too much content,
Farewell sweet babe, the pleasure of mine eye,
Farewell fair flower that for a space was lent,
Then ta'en away unto eternity.
Blest babe why should I once bewail thy fate,
Or sigh the days so soon were terminate;
Sith thou art settled in an everlasting state.
By nature trees do rot when they are grown.
And plums and apples thoroughly ripe do fall,
And corn and grass are in their season mown,
And time brings down what is both strong and tall.
But plants new set to be eradicate,
And buds new blown, to have so short a date,
Is by His hand alone that guides nature and fate.
For more on Anne Bradstreet, please see the Poetry Foundation (https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/anne-bradstreet).
For an essay on Anne Bradstreet's art, please see this short piece by Kevin Prufer (https://poetrysociety.org/features/old-school/on-anne-bradstreet).
For an essay on Anne Bradstreet's publication of The Tenth Muse (the first published book by a woman from British North America) and her ambitions as a poet, see this piece by Charlotte Gordon (http://commonplace.online/article/humble-assertions-the-true-story-of-anne-bradstreets-publication-of-the-tenth-muse/).
For an understanding of Puritan spirituality, please see this short review essay by Abram Van Engen (http://commonplace.online/article/vol-17-no-3-5-vanengen/). 
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  <itunes:keywords>17th century, anger, children, christianity, elegy, grief and loss, repetition or refrain, rhymed verse, sonnet, surprise, women's history month</itunes:keywords>
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    <![CDATA[<p>This week we read Anne Bradstreet&#39;s elegy for her grandchild Elizabeth and draw out the multiple voices (both faith and doubt, both grief and consolation) and the tensions and deep emotions in the work of this talented Puritan poet--the first woman from British North America to publish a book of poems.</p>

<p>&quot;In Memory of My Dear Grandchild Elizabeth Bradstreet, Who Deceased August, 1665 Being a Year and a Half Old&quot;</p>

<p>Farewell dear babe, my heart&#39;s too much content,<br>
Farewell sweet babe, the pleasure of mine eye,<br>
Farewell fair flower that for a space was lent,<br>
Then ta&#39;en away unto eternity.<br>
Blest babe why should I once bewail thy fate,<br>
Or sigh the days so soon were terminate;<br>
Sith thou art settled in an everlasting state.</p>

<p>By nature trees do rot when they are grown.<br>
And plums and apples thoroughly ripe do fall,<br>
And corn and grass are in their season mown,<br>
And time brings down what is both strong and tall.<br>
But plants new set to be eradicate,<br>
And buds new blown, to have so short a date,<br>
Is by His hand alone that guides nature and fate.</p>

<p>For more on Anne Bradstreet, please see <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/anne-bradstreet" rel="nofollow">the Poetry Foundation</a>.</p>

<p>For an essay on Anne Bradstreet&#39;s art, please see this short piece by <a href="https://poetrysociety.org/features/old-school/on-anne-bradstreet" rel="nofollow">Kevin Prufer</a>.</p>

<p>For an essay on Anne Bradstreet&#39;s publication of The Tenth Muse (the first published book by a woman from British North America) and her ambitions as a poet, see this piece by <a href="http://commonplace.online/article/humble-assertions-the-true-story-of-anne-bradstreets-publication-of-the-tenth-muse/" rel="nofollow">Charlotte Gordon</a>.</p>

<p>For an understanding of Puritan spirituality, please see this short review essay by <a href="http://commonplace.online/article/vol-17-no-3-5-vanengen/" rel="nofollow">Abram Van Engen</a>.</p><p>Links:</p><ul><li><a title="Anne Bradstreet | Poetry Foundation" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/anne-bradstreet">Anne Bradstreet | Poetry Foundation</a></li><li><a title="On Anne Bradstreet" rel="nofollow" href="https://poetrysociety.org/features/old-school/on-anne-bradstreet">On Anne Bradstreet</a></li><li><a title="Humble Assertions: The True Story of Anne Bradstreet’s Publication of The Tenth Muse - Commonplace - The Journal of early American Life" rel="nofollow" href="http://commonplace.online/article/humble-assertions-the-true-story-of-anne-bradstreets-publication-of-the-tenth-muse/">Humble Assertions: The True Story of Anne Bradstreet’s Publication of The Tenth Muse - Commonplace - The Journal of early American Life</a></li><li><a title="The Law and the Gospel - Commonplace - The Journal of early American Life" rel="nofollow" href="http://commonplace.online/article/vol-17-no-3-5-vanengen/">The Law and the Gospel - Commonplace - The Journal of early American Life</a></li></ul>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<p>This week we read Anne Bradstreet&#39;s elegy for her grandchild Elizabeth and draw out the multiple voices (both faith and doubt, both grief and consolation) and the tensions and deep emotions in the work of this talented Puritan poet--the first woman from British North America to publish a book of poems.</p>

<p>&quot;In Memory of My Dear Grandchild Elizabeth Bradstreet, Who Deceased August, 1665 Being a Year and a Half Old&quot;</p>

<p>Farewell dear babe, my heart&#39;s too much content,<br>
Farewell sweet babe, the pleasure of mine eye,<br>
Farewell fair flower that for a space was lent,<br>
Then ta&#39;en away unto eternity.<br>
Blest babe why should I once bewail thy fate,<br>
Or sigh the days so soon were terminate;<br>
Sith thou art settled in an everlasting state.</p>

<p>By nature trees do rot when they are grown.<br>
And plums and apples thoroughly ripe do fall,<br>
And corn and grass are in their season mown,<br>
And time brings down what is both strong and tall.<br>
But plants new set to be eradicate,<br>
And buds new blown, to have so short a date,<br>
Is by His hand alone that guides nature and fate.</p>

<p>For more on Anne Bradstreet, please see <a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/anne-bradstreet" rel="nofollow">the Poetry Foundation</a>.</p>

<p>For an essay on Anne Bradstreet&#39;s art, please see this short piece by <a href="https://poetrysociety.org/features/old-school/on-anne-bradstreet" rel="nofollow">Kevin Prufer</a>.</p>

<p>For an essay on Anne Bradstreet&#39;s publication of The Tenth Muse (the first published book by a woman from British North America) and her ambitions as a poet, see this piece by <a href="http://commonplace.online/article/humble-assertions-the-true-story-of-anne-bradstreets-publication-of-the-tenth-muse/" rel="nofollow">Charlotte Gordon</a>.</p>

<p>For an understanding of Puritan spirituality, please see this short review essay by <a href="http://commonplace.online/article/vol-17-no-3-5-vanengen/" rel="nofollow">Abram Van Engen</a>.</p><p>Links:</p><ul><li><a title="Anne Bradstreet | Poetry Foundation" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/anne-bradstreet">Anne Bradstreet | Poetry Foundation</a></li><li><a title="On Anne Bradstreet" rel="nofollow" href="https://poetrysociety.org/features/old-school/on-anne-bradstreet">On Anne Bradstreet</a></li><li><a title="Humble Assertions: The True Story of Anne Bradstreet’s Publication of The Tenth Muse - Commonplace - The Journal of early American Life" rel="nofollow" href="http://commonplace.online/article/humble-assertions-the-true-story-of-anne-bradstreets-publication-of-the-tenth-muse/">Humble Assertions: The True Story of Anne Bradstreet’s Publication of The Tenth Muse - Commonplace - The Journal of early American Life</a></li><li><a title="The Law and the Gospel - Commonplace - The Journal of early American Life" rel="nofollow" href="http://commonplace.online/article/vol-17-no-3-5-vanengen/">The Law and the Gospel - Commonplace - The Journal of early American Life</a></li></ul>]]>
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  <title>Episode 6: Jen Bervin, Nets</title>
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  <pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2020 11:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
  <author>Joanne Diaz and Abram Van Engen</author>
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  <itunes:subtitle>In this episode we learn about erasure poetry and poetic tradition by looking at Jen Bervin's incredible book NETS, created from the sonnets of Shakespeare. </itunes:subtitle>
  <itunes:duration>19:13</itunes:duration>
  <itunes:explicit>no</itunes:explicit>
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  <description>In this episode we learn about erasure poetry and poetic tradition by looking at Jen Bervin's incredible book NETS, composed of erasure poems created from the sonnets of Shakespeare.  The erasures are extraordinary--short and moving--and you'll never see Shakespeare the same way again. We also discuss poetic traditions, and the idea of writing into and over top of what has come before.
For an important essay on the political implications of erasure poetry, please see "The Near Transitive Properties of the Political and Poetical: Erasure (http://www.thevolta.org/ewc28-ssharif-p1.html)" by Solmaz Sharif.
For more on Jen Bervin, please visit her website: http://jenbervin.com/
Special thanks this week to Ugly Duckling Presse for giving us permission to read Bervin's poetry aloud. "18" "63" and "64" by Jen Bervin were first published in Nets (Ugly Duckling Presse, 2009).
To purchase Nets please visit Ugly Duckling Presse (https://uglyducklingpresse.org/publications/nets/).  
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  <itunes:keywords>21st century, erasure, eros and desire, grief and loss, intimacy, women's history month</itunes:keywords>
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    <![CDATA[<p>In this episode we learn about erasure poetry and poetic tradition by looking at Jen Bervin&#39;s incredible book NETS, composed of erasure poems created from the sonnets of Shakespeare.  The erasures are extraordinary--short and moving--and you&#39;ll never see Shakespeare the same way again. We also discuss poetic traditions, and the idea of writing into and over top of what has come before.</p>

<p>For an important essay on the political implications of erasure poetry, please see &quot;<a href="http://www.thevolta.org/ewc28-ssharif-p1.html" rel="nofollow">The Near Transitive Properties of the Political and Poetical: Erasure</a>&quot; by Solmaz Sharif.</p>

<p>For more on Jen Bervin, please visit her website: <a href="http://jenbervin.com/" rel="nofollow">http://jenbervin.com/</a></p>

<p>Special thanks this week to Ugly Duckling Presse for giving us permission to read Bervin&#39;s poetry aloud. &quot;18&quot; &quot;63&quot; and &quot;64&quot; by Jen Bervin were first published in <em>Nets</em> (Ugly Duckling Presse, 2009).</p>

<p>To purchase <em>Nets</em> please visit <a href="https://uglyducklingpresse.org/publications/nets/" rel="nofollow">Ugly Duckling Presse</a>. </p><p>Links:</p><ul><li><a title="Jen Bervin Personal Website" rel="nofollow" href="http://jenbervin.com/">Jen Bervin Personal Website</a></li><li><a title="Jen Bervin | Poetry Foundation" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/jen-bervin">Jen Bervin | Poetry Foundation</a></li><li><a title="Ugly Duckling Presse: Nets" rel="nofollow" href="https://uglyducklingpresse.org/publications/nets/">Ugly Duckling Presse: Nets</a></li><li><a title="Evening Will Come" rel="nofollow" href="http://www.thevolta.org/ewc28-ssharif-p1.html">Evening Will Come</a></li></ul>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<p>In this episode we learn about erasure poetry and poetic tradition by looking at Jen Bervin&#39;s incredible book NETS, composed of erasure poems created from the sonnets of Shakespeare.  The erasures are extraordinary--short and moving--and you&#39;ll never see Shakespeare the same way again. We also discuss poetic traditions, and the idea of writing into and over top of what has come before.</p>

<p>For an important essay on the political implications of erasure poetry, please see &quot;<a href="http://www.thevolta.org/ewc28-ssharif-p1.html" rel="nofollow">The Near Transitive Properties of the Political and Poetical: Erasure</a>&quot; by Solmaz Sharif.</p>

<p>For more on Jen Bervin, please visit her website: <a href="http://jenbervin.com/" rel="nofollow">http://jenbervin.com/</a></p>

<p>Special thanks this week to Ugly Duckling Presse for giving us permission to read Bervin&#39;s poetry aloud. &quot;18&quot; &quot;63&quot; and &quot;64&quot; by Jen Bervin were first published in <em>Nets</em> (Ugly Duckling Presse, 2009).</p>

<p>To purchase <em>Nets</em> please visit <a href="https://uglyducklingpresse.org/publications/nets/" rel="nofollow">Ugly Duckling Presse</a>. </p><p>Links:</p><ul><li><a title="Jen Bervin Personal Website" rel="nofollow" href="http://jenbervin.com/">Jen Bervin Personal Website</a></li><li><a title="Jen Bervin | Poetry Foundation" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/jen-bervin">Jen Bervin | Poetry Foundation</a></li><li><a title="Ugly Duckling Presse: Nets" rel="nofollow" href="https://uglyducklingpresse.org/publications/nets/">Ugly Duckling Presse: Nets</a></li><li><a title="Evening Will Come" rel="nofollow" href="http://www.thevolta.org/ewc28-ssharif-p1.html">Evening Will Come</a></li></ul>]]>
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